[MD] What is the oppostite of Quality?

[Mary]

Magnus,

Hello!  A long time ago I knew (of) you!  As I recall, we used to disagree,
but on this

Agree entirely.

- Mary

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Hi Bruce

Nice presentation, I see you put a lot of effort into it. I have two main 
objections though.

* Quality is supposed to be all of reality. If Quality had an opposite, the 
reality it was trying to encompass has to be larger than Quality. That would

mean it had failed to encompass all of reality. I.e. Quality doesn't have an

opposite.

* You put chaos below the inorganic level, but lower levels are supposed to
be 
more static, whereas chaos isn't static at all. I guess you didn't intend
chaos 
to be a new level, but then you need to describe what it is, and as I said 
above, it can't be the opposite of Quality.

Regards,

	Magnus




On 2010-01-05 17:04, Bruce Underwood wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have attached a link to a powerpoint that contain graphical
representations of how I see MoQ.  This ppt file contains 22 slides from
many of my thoughts and ideas and is best viewed in presentation mode.
>
> The initial question is what is the opposite of Quality?  After reading
Lila, I felt like something was missing from my mental image. For me, it was
the understanding of what the opposite of Quality is.  It dawned on me that
Quality is really organization.  Quality is the evolution of organization;
the driving force to organize the best systems of "energy".  The opposite of
organization is disorganization or chaos.  This reminded me of the second
law of thermodynamics: The universal law of increasing entropy, stating that
every system left to its own devices always tends to move from order to
disorder.  The initial slides depict this in a few ways: Yin/Yang, tug-of
war, and Quality pulling against the gravity of chaos.
>
> If there is an opposite side to Quality and that being chaos, is there a
dynamic chaos or is it static and constant?
>
> Perhaps this is my feeble attempt to philosophize and not get too bogged
down into "philosophology",but regardless putting this in a visual form
helped me gather my thoughs.
>
> http://www.thinnerself.com/files/MoQ/lila-6a.ppt
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
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