[MD] Intellectual and Social
MarshaV
valkyr at att.net
Fri Jan 8 13:30:45 PST 2010
Hey,
The other day I went to a new dentist, and of course as a new patient there
were many pages of forms to fill out. I'm answering away: no, no, no, no, no,
but then I come to the question: Do you smile? Why? Answer: yes - because
I'm happy. On the next page was another variation of the question but with
the question: How often? Most of the time I answered.
I owned a condominium a little north of LA.
I was out shoveling snow this afternoon and it felt good.
Marsha
On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:33 PM, John Carl wrote:
> Marsha,
>
> Some of the most beautiful descriptions I've read (Ed Abbey! Ed Abbey! Ed
> Abbey! ) are of places nobody wants to go - deserts - tundra. The emptiness
> beckons the eye.
>
> What is interesting in Royce's analysis isn't the comparative beauties of
> the world, it's the way places create people. Even as Pirsig points out the
> language of the Cowboy AND the Plains Indian both reflecting the plains, the
> environment which is their Q-context.
>
> Royce:
>
> "And this intimacy with nature means a certain change in your relations to
> your fellow-men. You get a sense of power from these wide views, a habit of
> personal independence from the contemplation of a world that the eye seems
> to own. Especially in country life the individual Californian consequently
> tends toward a certain kind of independence which I find in a strong and
> subtle contrast to the sort of independence that, for instance, the New
> England farmer cultivates. The New England farmer must fortify himself in
> his stronghold against the seasons. He must be ready to adapt himself.
>
> Thus different in type are the California country proprietors from the
> equally individual, the secretively independent, the silently conscientious
> New England villagers. "
>
> He also points out the differences in culture between the Northern
> Californian and the Southern, which has its roots in the communities which
> got started fresh in the south around 1880 and on. The "latecomers" to the
> view of the 49ers.
>
> Go Niners!
>
> John
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:13 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> New England is beautiful and its winters are full of joy. California is
>> beautiful too.
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2010, at 11:08 AM, John Carl wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps it is foolish of me to assume that joy exists anywhere outside of
>> my
>>> own sphere, Marsha, and yet sometimes, like the sun peeking through the
>>> clouds, I see signs of it.
>>>
>>> But I'll take your word for it.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:33 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Let me rewrite that properly:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The promise of joy existing somewhere else is very foolish.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2010, at 5:30 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> The promise of betterment existing someplace is very foolish.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:11 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to go work, but I'll sit down tonite and let my fingers fly
>> over
>>>> the
>>>>>> passages promised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the meantime, to whet your appetite...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "in New England, if you are moody, you may wish to take a long walk
>> out
>>>> of
>>>>>> doors, but that is not possible at or even at most seasons. Nature
>> may
>>>> not
>>>>>> be permitted to comfort you. In California, unless you are afraid of
>>>> the
>>>>>> rain, nature welcomes you at almost any time. The union of the man
>> and
>>>> the
>>>>>> visible universe is free, is entirely unchecked by any hostility on
>> the
>>>> part
>>>>>> of nature, and is such as easily fills one's mind with wealth of warm
>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I must feel that such tendencies are of vast importance, not
>> merely
>>>>>> today, but for all time. They are tendencies whose moral significance
>>>> in
>>>>>> the life of California is of course both good and evil, since man's
>>>>>> relations with nature are, in general, a neutral material upon which
>>>> ethical
>>>>>> relations may be based. If you are industrious, this intimacy with
>>>> nature
>>>>>> mean constant cooperation, a cooperation never interrupted by frozen
>>>> ground
>>>>>> and deep snow. If you tend to idleness, nature's kindliness may make
>>>> you
>>>>>> all more indolent, and indolence is a possible enough vice with the
>>>> dwellers
>>>>>> of all mild climates. If you are morally careless, nature encourages
>>>> your
>>>>>> freedom."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mea Culpa,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:09 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 12:12 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm reading Royce's history of California right now and boy does he
>>>> have
>>>>>>>> some interesting insight into the way an environment forms the
>>>> individual
>>>>>>>> and society. Reading his description of the attitude you get from
>>>> living
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> a place that isn't trying to kill you half the year is quite
>> amazing.
>>>>>>> His
>>>>>>>> description fits me to a "T", and his contrast with the New England
>>>>>>>> Individualist and the California individualist made for some
>>>> fascinating
>>>>>>>> reading that I'm itching to share with Marsha.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lessee, it's gonna be 62 degrees today, I hope the rest of y'all are
>>>>>>> keeping
>>>>>>>> warm where you're at.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm interested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> p.s. The high temperature here today was 24-degrees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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