[MD] Avatars, SOM and me

[Mary]

Listen without the video.  It's Donna Summer does Carole King.

Very good stuff - especially if you remember Disco with some fondness (as I
do).  Hear that synthesizer?

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of MarshaV
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Mother Earth rocks!



On Jan 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, John Carl wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPtltbBH6cg&feature=related
> 
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:09 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hmmmmmmmmmm.
>> 
>> This morning the flutter was 6.5 on the Richter scale.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, John Carl wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha,
>>> 
>>> The child is the father of the man, and thus perhaps, his master as
well.
>>> In that case, your question is especially relevant; Is there a
>> separation?
>>> 
>>> We shall see!
>>> 
>>> we are
>>> 
>>> momentary in nature,
>>> 
>>> but monumental in a moment,
>>> 
>>> creating ripples in the
>>> 
>>> earthen vibrations
>>> 
>>>         that flutter through
>>> 
>>> empty     space,
>>> 
>>> organizing a rhythmic clutter into human art.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:02 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:17 AM, John Carl wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You had to suffer shipwreck though your own efforts before you were
>> ready
>>>> to
>>>>> seize the lifebelt he threw you.... The Master knows you and each of
>> his
>>>>> pupils much better than we know ourselves.  He reads in the souls of
>> his
>>>>> pupils more than they care to admit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eugen Herrigel, Zen and the Art of Archery
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> John,
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a separation between master and student?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I was thinking the other day, about writing.  My brother in law
>> wrote
>>>> a
>>>>> book about when he and Lu were kids growing up in Africa and he used a
>>>>> literary device, I think it's called the "second person objective" or
>>>>> something like that.  It went something like this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You walk down the hall to get a glass of water, you see that there is
a
>>>> need
>>>>> for another log on the fire and the cat needs to come in, so you set
>> down
>>>>> your glass and open the woodstove...
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess it could be interesting if done really well, but coming from
>> pure
>>>>> narcissism it's just real annoying.  It flows from the assumption that
>>>>> everybody else would see things the way I see them, naturally.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But then, he's annoying like that so I guess it makes sense that his
>>>> writing
>>>>> would be too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now, Pirsig, on the other hand, writes about himself in the third
>> person,
>>>>> while narrating from the first person:  I used to know this guy, I
knew
>>>> him
>>>>> really well.  He's gone now, but not forgotten for he turned into me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> See, the "me" that is in the past is just as much an entity separate
>> from
>>>>> who I am now, than any other person I've read about in history books.
>>>> But
>>>>> we don't think like that.  We should, but we don't.  But writing that
>> way
>>>>> sort of forces you to confront the real situation as it is, and to an
>>>>> extent, by playing with the definitions of self, frees you from the
>>>>> ego-attachment to your old self.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And really, when I'm writing about the guy I used to be, why should I
>> do
>>>> him
>>>>> any favors?  He's certainly never done me any.  If he had any
>>>> consideration
>>>>> for me, he'd have dieted and exercized more and taken better care of
>> his
>>>>> body so that when it came time for me to use it, I'd be in real good
>>>> shape.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On the other hand, I can't criticize him too hard because if I was in
>> his
>>>>> position, I'd probably have done the same thing.  In fact, that's what
>>>>> happened.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, I wonder if any of you literary types are familiar with this
>>>>> technique and know what it's called.  Lots of writers have referred to
>>>> their
>>>>> past in the third person, but not from the ongoing narration of the
>> first
>>>>> person.  Pirsig did it because his past person was separated from his
>>>>> present person by electroshock therapy, but it doesn't take anything
>> that
>>>>> dramatic to realize the separation.  All it takes is a realization of
>> a
>>>>> momentary separation between him and me.
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