[MD] Metaphysics

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Bodvar to virtually all of us:

Yes, you bet, metaphysics in the the true MOQ  sense is reality, that's
the very point!

Andre:
Then it came to me...the passage in ZMM (I think) where Phaedrus has a
conversation with a priest and they are talking about the liturgy, the
most sacred part: when the wine changes into blood, and the bread
changes into the body of Christ. Phaedrus asks along the lines of;
(sorry I do not have a copy of ZMM with me) yes, but this is
symbolically..yeS??. No! says the priest, this is real. At that
moment, the wine and bread change into the actual blood and body of
Jesus Christ!
Christians all over the world actually and factually believe that this
is indeed the case. And, further more, the Bible is of course seen,
not as a book full of stories ( if I may take the liberty, as a book
full of fingers pointing to the moon!!) but as the actual word of God.

Ron:
Are we to surmise that you both are equating reality with belief?
Some interesting considerations in regard to what Bodvar calls Andre's "breakthrough"

There are many types of beliefs, as you say then, many types of realities.
You say MoQ is the true belief, on what do you base this on? What makes
MoQ any more true than any other belief ever held?

Then, this view admits SOM as a belief also...along with every religeon
and superstition ever held, every hallucenation.....it openly admits
many types of metaphyical systems by your definition of what
the term "metaphysics" should mean.
There seem to be some consequences that do not line up with your
contentions when equating the term metaphysics with belief not to
mention equating metaphysics with the concept of a "reality".

"Reality" is supposed to be equated with experience to a subsciber
of Robert Pirsig. Beliefs are said to shape and color experience
but they are not primary to experience according to Pirsig.

If belief is reality then the truly delusional reign.