[MD] Intellectual and Social

[Krimel]

[Ham]
Since you raise the credibility issue, I did a Google search on Duane Gish. 
Turns out he held key positions at Berkeley, Cornell University Medical 
College, and The Upjohn Company before joining the Institute for Creation 
Research in 1971 where he currently serves as Associate Director and Vice 
President.  Your personal bias against "Creationism" in no way impugns the 
scientific credibility of a Ph.D. biochemist with a distinguished working 
career.  Moreover, inasmuch as genetic mutation is mostly spontaneous, no 
scientifically informed person would call the propensity for creating an 
ordered. intelligently designed universe a "stupid" or "ridiculous idea."

[Krimel]
I can read wiki too and only wishful thinking produces a distinguished
scientific career for this guy. He has distinguished himself chiefly by
making a fool of himself in creationism debates. 

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/gish-rutgers.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-whoppers.html 

[Ham]
Bill patiently explained to this lowly biology undergraduate that, left to 
themselves, chemical compounds ultimately break apart into simpler materials

rather than becoming more complex.  Apparently "work" (a function of energy)

is required to move a random or chaotic system toward an ordered design. 
While this can increase order for a time, such reversal cannot last forever.

Processes return to their natural direction - greater disorder, their energy

transformed into lower levels of availability for further work.  Thus, the 
natural tendency of complex, ordered arrangements and systems is to become 
simpler and more disorderly.

[Krimel]
If only you could understand what is actually being said to you. Bill told
you, "Apparently "work" (a function of energy) is required to move a random
or chaotic system toward an ordered design." 

Ham, what the fuck do you think sunlight is? 

Then he told you, "While this can increase order for a time, such reversal
cannot last forever." "For a time" in this instance has been about 4 billion
years. It is expected to stay this way for about another 4 billion years. A
lot happened in the first 4 billion years. It was enough time for chemicals
to become chemistry professors. I suppose it is possible for a lot to happen
in the next 4 billion years, for example you might have time to get a clue.

[Ham]
Yet billions of things are assumed to have developed "upward", becoming more

orderly and complex over eons of time.  Until scientists discover the source

of this "working force" underlying natural evolution, it remains 
inexplicable by this basic law of science. 

[Krimel]
News flash, Ham, scientists had discovered sunlight by the late Pleistocene
era. As I said previously this "working force" only remains inexplicable to
the ignorant and the stupid.