[MD] Intellectual and Social

[John Carl]

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> [John]
> Yes I am, Krimel.  I am ignorant of the origins of life, the universe and
> everything.  And despite my own stupidity, I look down on those who think
> they've got it all figured out and dogmaticaly assert their theoretical
> framework as absolute fact.
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> [Krimel]
> Dude, wake the fuck up. This isn't some secret cabal plotting to steal your
> soul. For Christ, sake it's on Nova and the Discovery channel. If you can't
> decipher that you are a fucking idiot.
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OMG!  Krimel!  I didn't realize.  It's been on tv and everything?  Why, how
could I doubt for even one second the holy conferring of authenticity by the
boob tube?  It really is my own fault, my ignorance, for not owning a tv
set.  THEN I'd have a firm grasp on the full meaning and truth of
everything, just like you.  Obviously the secrets of the cosmos have been
unraveled by the sacred producers of nature television and I just wasn't
paying attention to this incredibly high quality intellectual medium.

I don't know why you even bother with me.


[John]
> I look down on them whether they are popes, priests, preachers or
> scientist.
>  They all seem so wedded to their theories that they've lost any ability to
> question, wonder or learn.
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> [Krimel]
> Oh, you mean people who are committed to ideas they believe in? Right,
> commitment to truth, as one sees it, is a horrible thing.
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Depends on how committed.  The witchburners of Salem were sure they had the
truth in their pocket.  I'd say their committment to truth was a horrible
thing.    A little doubt and a little humility go a long way in the search
for truth.  Whereas dogmatic certainty is always a dead end.



> > [Krimel]
> > I think the universe is more mysterious that any explanation you care to
> > offer.
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> [John]
> Well at this time, I haven't offered you one.  You've offered me one.
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>  I think that the origin of life just has to have more to the story than
> sunshine on a rock.  But hey, knock yourself out.  I know an old lady that
> thinks it's all resting on the back of a turtle; I don't argue with her
> either.
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> [Krimel]
> Ooh, I see, you have no idea what you are talking about. No problem, I am
> used to that.
>

And I see you already know everything because you saw it on tv.  No problem.
 I am used to that.



> > [Krimel]
> > Chaos is embedded in its very fabric so deeply that any attempt at
> > explanation will leave something out. Something important will be unsaid.
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> [John]
> And of course as Platt points out, I could say the same about any number of
> terms such as Quality, Essence, God, whatever...  My point is that
> unsupported postulates tend to make for bad metaphysics.  And your embedded
> Chaos is at least as ridiculous as any of the others, so there's no need to
> get all smug and superior with your "scientific worldview which arbites all
> known reality."
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> [Krimel]
> Oh, so a philosophy rooted in the undefined is bullshit?
>

I don't get your construal there.  I oppose the arrogance of the scientific
worldview that teaches malleable minds, such as yours,  that the experts
have all the answers, that scientist can pin down the beginning of time at
4:19 AM, six billion BCE.

But now that I understand your evidence comes from Nova, I realize the
philosophical conceptions I could share with you regarding "the beginning of
time" are likely to be wasted on you.  I'm not a celebrity so ignore me.



> > [Krimel]
> > Phrases like "scientific worldview of arrogant humanism" just sound like
> > the sour grapes of ignorance. Perhaps, you have chosen wisely.
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> [John]
> The intelligent are good at solving problems, the wise are good at avoiding
> them.  For instance, a wiseguy like me would advise an ivory-tower-climber
> like yourself that studying for the captaincy of the Titanic seems sorta
> silly, especially after the ship has already hit the iceberg.
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> For instance.
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> [Krimel]
> Have you considered that it is dumbasses like yourself who create the
> problems that the intelligent must solve and the wise avoid?
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You know Krimel, I was hesitant to piss you off and send you away... I'm
sensitive about driving people away... but then I realized that I could
probably predict just about every comment and reaction you have.  You
yourself don't think you have any freedom and your world is probabilistic so
I could probably generate a Krimel response anytime I wanted, based on
probabilistic analysis of your words so far and without having to dip too
far even into the archives, without the need for a "you" at all.

[Krimel]

Fuck you!

John:

See what I mean?