[MD] Intellectual and Social

[Ham Priday]

On Monday 1/11/10, 7:36 AM, Krimel wrote:


> I can read wiki too and only wishful thinking produces a
> distinguished scientific career for this guy. He has distinguished
> himself chiefly by making a fool of himself in creationism debates.
>
> If only you could understand what is actually being said to you.
> Bill told you, "Apparently "work" (a function of energy) is
> required to move a random or chaotic system toward an
> ordered design."
>
> Ham, what the fuck do you think sunlight is?

Sunlight is photons emitted by a lesser star.  It is an example of thermal 
energy being dissipated by a cooling universe.  If the thermal energy of a 
system increases, then the random motions of individual atoms or molecules 
increase, raising the temperature of the system.  However, the total amount 
of energy in the universe is constant.  Energy can change form, but it 
cannot be created or destroyed.  In physics a force must act over some 
distance to do "work"; hence the equation Work = Force x Distance.  Doing 
useful work requires directed energy.  Since no additional energy has been 
added to the system since the Big Bang, the universe is moving ineluctably 
toward entropy.

 [Ham, previously]:
> Yet billions of things are assumed to have developed "upward",
> becoming more orderly and complex over eons of time.  Until
> scientists discover the source of this "working force" underlying
> natural evolution, it remains inexplicable by this basic law of science.

 [Krimel]
> News flash, Ham, scientists had discovered sunlight by the late 
> Pleistocene
> era. As I said previously this "working force" only remains inexplicable 
> to
> the ignorant and the stupid.

A stated above, sunlight is heat energy released by a fireball, not a 
"force".  Energy is not intrinsically "work-directed" and does not "create" 
anything but heat and light.  Gravity is the force that holds the earth and 
its sister planets to the solar orbit.  But the working force that directs 
biological evolution has not been defined by biophysicists, nor has the 
source of this force.

Whatever you say about the law of "probability" and "chaotic systems" 
leading spontaneously to the creation of a life-supporting universe, I stand 
with the Duane Gish who put it best: "The operation of natural processes on 
which the Second Law of Thermodynamics is based is alone sufficient to 
preclude the spontaneous evolutionary origin of the immense biological order 
required for the origin of life."

(Pardon me for my ignorance and stupidity.)

Regards,
Ham