[MD] Metaphysics

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Ian.

13 Jan 

You answered my questionnaire and I can only say that everything 
seems to be jettisonable in the effort to avoid the SOL, honesty, logic, 
rationality, even the MOQ itself.. Does it not dawn on you that you 
forfeit all use of argumentation after this pathetic show? If logical loops 
are allowed, what is left standing? You Ian did not touch on this , but 
for instance "Many truths"! If so  this statement isn't true. A Scotsman 
pronouncing that all Scotsmen are liars nullify his statement. There are 
logics that can't be twisted into loops however "strange"..      

Aghast but still on MOQ  ground. 

Bodvar . 





















stands  :  

> > 1) Is the DQ of MOQ's DQ/SQ something else than Quality?
 
> Yes, they both comprise Quality, but DQ is the immediate quality
> exprienced in the moment, whereas Quality also ends up fossilized in
> various longer lived patterns.

I think Pirsig would wince, Quality comprise (being composed of) 
Quality. If that isn't a definition, nothing is.   

> > 2) If Pirsig said that Quality IS the DQ, will that alter anything?
 
> Yes, but not problematically, just a definitional problem in what we
> say static patterns comprise.


> 
> > 3) How do you manage to make the MOQ fit inside a smaller part of
> > its own (the intellectual level) without violating the container
> > logic.?
> 
> What ? No problem at all. It fits inside a strange loop - the MoQ
> itself and the intellectual patterns representing it are different
> categories. What container logic and which religious authority says it
> must be complied with ? (Stop running away from discussions on better
> logic Bo)
> 
> > 4) If there emerges a world view - a metaphysics - that claims that
> > the MOQ is hogwash, is that still one of the countless possible
> > descriptions of Quality?
> 
> In principle yes, but in practice anyone claiming that would have an
> argument on their hands to modify their / our ideas. Ideas evolve,
> Pirsig says so, and his MoQ supports that beautifully.
> 
> And as John said beautifully Bo, why do you want to cast the MoQ and
> intellect in stone anyway. Let's have the courage of our convictions
> that the MoQ can take its own medicine, and apply to itself, and not
> build concrete defenses agains evolution.
> 
> Ian
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