[MD] Metaphysics
MarshaV
valkyr at att.net
Thu Jan 14 03:10:00 PST 2010
Exactly Ian,
Say would Matt as utility - them about talk to able being of simplicity practical for except, level one to confined entirely are patterns few that is point my fact in - patterns-crossing-level many have do we.
You love I.
Marsha
On Jan 14, 2010, at 5:17 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
> Exactly Marsha.
> We do have many level-crossing-patterns - in fact my point is that few
> patterns are entirely confined to one level, except for practical
> simplicity of being able to talk about them - utility as Matt would
> say.
>
> (In another context I might call them strange loops, but whatever we
> call them, they exist and they evolve.)
> Ian
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:32 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Ian,
>>
>> Why constrain patterns into any level, for instance, the organic level?
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>
>>> That was my point Marsha, who wants to say forever ?
>>> (Clue : Bo)
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:32 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Two points then Marsha,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why constrain those intellectual patterns to be based on SOM for ever ?
>>>>
>>>> My answer is: I don't have an answer. How can I respond to a question about forever?
>>>>
>>>> Why constrain patterns into any level? Forever?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Metaphysics ? - Search me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Okay.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:56 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, in that case I would say the MoQ is a metaphysics that includes within it four static levels of patterns of which the fourth (top) level is comprised of intellectual patterns based on a Subject/Object Metaphysics. I still like to hear an agreed upon definition of metaphysics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:26 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is how I understand it too. But then one should understand it's analogues all the way down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My first question is: Aren't we playing the metaphysical game? Do we have an agreed upon definition of metaphysics? Isn't metaphysics an analogue? All the way down?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think it's a waste of time, though, because I've learned lots in the category of: not this, not that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Horse wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a nutshell
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steven Peterson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps much confusion would be cleared up if you keep in mind that
>>>>>>>>> Quality is reality and the Metaphysics of Quality is words about
>>>>>>>>> Quality. It is the philosophy of Robert M Pirsig.
>>>>>>>>>
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