[MD] Metaphysics

[Andre Broersen]

Mark to Andre:
I suppose we probably disagree on what a religious attitude is.

Andre:
Not sure Mark, my parents were pretty good Catholics and I was
baptised and raised within the Christian tradition.

Mark:
If you have a proof for Quality I would love to read it.

Andre:
Reading won't help you prove the existence of Quality, Mark. Apart
from the examples Pirsig has shared with us, and the reductio absurdum
applied to a world without Quality ( not really logical because the
world would not exist without Quality) the existence of Quality is
proven in direct experience or, as Northrop terms it 'immediate
apprehension'.

I think it is in LC that Pirsig expresses his surprise at the notion
that people actually deny the existence of Quality.

I agree. You have to create some strange loops to reach this conclusion.

This is the result of pure SOM thinking of course.

Mark:
Even a convincing argument such as that posed by Anselm many years
ago, and then formalized by Godel, on the existence of God. ?If you
can do this then perhaps I will truly believe? that the intellectual
level lies within Quality.

Andre:
Not sure what you are saying here Mark. Quality has the intellectual
level...it is a static pattern of Quality.

Mark:
Now, as I have suggested to Bodvar, if you want release from SOM, then
there are much easier ways to do that. ?Using logic is certainly not
the best of them.

Andre:
Well, changing one's glasses or taking one's glasses off (to use
Pirsig's metaphor) is not that easy. But I agree with you that logic (
a product of SOM created in such a way as to justify and perpetuate
itself) is probably the worst of them.

Kind regards
Andre