[MD] Where does logic itself belong inside the MOQ?

Ham Priday hampday1 at verizon.net
Thu Jan 14 11:49:15 PST 2010


Steve and Andre quoting LILA . . .

[Steve]:
> "There already is a metaphysics of quality.  A subject-object
> metaphysics is in fact a metaphysics in which the first division of
> Quality - the first slice of undivided experience - is into
> subjects and objects."
>
> Andre:
> Of course it is...from a Quality perspective it is.
> "The idea that the world is composed of nothing but moral value
> sounds impossible at first" (LILA CH.8).
>
> If Pirsig would have said otherwise he would have had to place it
> outside the DQ/SQ configuration, which is an impossibility.
> The problem with the 'first slice' into subjects and objects is that
> it killed Quality. The DQ/SQ slice preserves it.

I think Andre (and Pirsig) have got it backwards.  What kills Quality is 
homogeneity; differentiation (relation) makes Quality experienceable.  Can 
you give me an example of "undivided experience"?

Quality is the fundamental essence of the MoQ.  Experience is what subjects 
have.  But even recalling from Steve's quote that Pirsig equates Quality 
with Experience, by what logic does he come up with "undivided experience"? 
If experience is undivided before that first slice into subjects, who or 
what is having the experience?   In any case, would it not have made more 
sense for Pirsig to say that the first slice of Quality divides objects from 
subjects?

I've reread Chpt. 8 and found no logical or epistemological support for 
"undivided" experience.  Nor have I learned in any of Pirsig's writings how 
he accounts for evil in a world "composed of nothing but moral value." 
Perhaps you gentlemen can enlighten me.

Thanks for allowing me to chime in.

--Ham




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