[MD] Metaphysics

[John Carl]

Andre,

not familiar with Nothrop, but I sure like the quote you provide.  The term
"idolatry" applies to perfection.

People think it means carving, but it actually means reification.

Yay Andre,

Man, you are on a roll...

John



> 'The Protestant preacher, in repeating the old Christian doctrines of
> the immortality of the soul, the divinity of Christ, the Fatherhood of
> God, and the Trinity, has been even more guilty of the use of
> hocus-pocus and of idolatry. For hocus-pocus and idolatry consist in
> using the word and the symbol and repeating and worshipping it instead
> of referring to and worshipping that which it symbolizes. When modern
> Protestant preachers utter these traditional Christian doctrines,
> which they have really inherited from the Roman Catholic, medieval
> world, and suppose that their statements will take on meaning if they
> are merely repeated often enough, without going on to develop a
> theology and an empirically grounded scientific philosophy which gives
> them content and meaning in terms of present-day knowledge, it is they
> who are the real idolators. For they are giving us the symbols without
> specifying anything for them to symbolize. This is idolatry, pure and
> unadulterated; it is also hocus-pocus.' ( Northrop, Meeting of East
> and West, p286)
>
> The 'M' of the MoQ is filled with content and meaning by Pirsig
> himself, which, as he has stated is no papal bull. It is an
> 'empirically grounded scientific philosophy' reflecting Quality
> (Reality). No need to 'believe' in Quality! What a farce. It can be
> apprehended immediately and verified scientifically any time. The MoQ
> symbolises DQ/SQ directly.
>
>
ah, now I get what you meean by "believe in"


> Some even dare to suggest that the Quality Pirsig refers to is HIS
> Quality, HIS idea. Christ almighty, how silly can you get!
>
> And poor Bodvar has had to endure this SOM grounded confusion with
> most MD subscribers for so long.
>
> Once you accept the DQ/SQ symbolism all sorts of problems and
> obstacles disappear... and even Pirsig's seeming contradictory
> statements can be understood. Not that I have done so with all of
> them. Just some. (e.g. the one in the Baggini interview). It is as
> clear as day.
>
> Cheers
> Andre
>
>
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