[MD] Waiter, I don't think this Quality is any Good

[X Acto]

Andre:

> At no point does Pirsig state that he 'believes' in Quality. No, he is
> absolutely convinced it is here. And, of course even more, it is
> fundamental to everything.
> 
> It can be apprehended by direct experience. No belief required. If
> belief was required you'd have to take Pirsig's word for its
> existence, but you don't.
> 
> This is what I liked about Matt's post the other day. Quality is. It
> doesn't belong to Pirsig!
> 
Ron:
This all depends how one understands the terms Andre.
Quality is...being is...experience is...
Calling experience "Quality" is indeed Pirsigs idea.
But if you are equating Quality with experience in the
understanding of the meaning of the term, then yes
Quality is not Pirsigs alone.



Andre:
> The static representations thereof, as laid down by Pirsig are general
> enough to appeal to anybody and accept or reject as a way of ordering
> experience within an evolutionary frame. That is all.

Ron:
static representations as Aristotle layed down are general enough also
in fact, they both are a collection of the most general things we can
say about experience. Both Pirsig and Aristotle are doing the same 
thing ,a way of ordering experience within a framework.

Andre:
> Pirsig has left the door wide open to find out for ourselves how to
> live within the DQ/SQ configuration. Nowhere does he say; "Thou
> shall..." and nowhere does he say: 'This is the way it is and this is
> its ultimate goal!!
Ron:
Right, because there is no ultimate goal other than clearer meaning.
I think your mentor the self proclaimed st. Bodvar would disagree with you.

Andre:
> 
> The static representations are no papal bull.
> 
>Ron:
I think the self proclaimed ST.Bodvar
 would disagree.> the static representations
ARE reality according to him, that is a Papal
Bull if I ever heard one. of Pope Bodvar the first.


  
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