[MD] Are theists irrational?

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Ian]
In a way, exactly as Platt (and myself) have said many times before .. "As
Godel's Theorem reminds us, all knowledge is ultimately faith-based."

[Arlo]
No. Godel shows us that all symbolic systems are essentially incomplete, and so
perhaps you could say "all knowledge is incomplete". Big difference.

[Ian]
The scientists are "losing their edge" as John puts it, because they tend to
ignore their faith in their process and simply claim higher moral ground.

[Arlo]
Science DOES have the "moral high ground" in the MOQ. Intellectual patterns are
morally superior to social patterns. 

As I said to Mark, understanding the earthquake that hit Haiti as the result of
geological forces and plate tectonics is a MORALLY SUPERIOR position to
claiming it is the result of an angry god punishing them evil voodoo
worshipers.