[MD] Re Proposed solution to SOL/Intellectual level

[Joseph Maurer]

On 1/17/10 6:05 AM, "Andre Broersen" <andrebroersen at gmail.com> wrote:

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I began wandering about the birth of this pattern. I believe it can be
argued, based on my own piddly effort and Pirsig's insight that this
scientific understanding has not fully emerged into the intellectual
level as MoQ level. Pirsig asks, rightly, is science, in fact,
independent of society ..and answers not at all. Aristotelian science
and its developments are in fact not separate from society at all. It
is a farce to suggest otherwise.
 
This makes for an opening: if that is indeed the case (as the MoQ
argues) then I argue that the SOL, the subject/ object distinction is
a dominant Western CULTURAL pattern, a combination of social and
intellectual values meshed together.
 
It hinges between the social and the intellectual. The SOL is a
cultural pattern of value.
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Hi Andre and all,

IMHO In discussing evolutionary patterns it is probably more precise to make
a distinction between individual evolution and social evolution.  When you
suggest a combination of social and intellectual patterns of value you are
discussing evolution in terms of apples and oranges. The individual evolves
from dynamic (indefinable) and static (definable) forces.  How can you
describe social (multiple entities) values and intellectual (individual)
values in the same hierarchy of evolution?

My suggestion would be to use a different scale in the structure of
evolution by substituting emotional evolution of indefinable patterns of
value which are individuated and undefined rather than social evolution.
One such pattern is a self-consciousness at the emotional level which is an
evolutionary movement from instinct at the organic 2 level (reproduction by
cell wall penetration by a sperm cell). In that way the emotional individual
is evolving to an intellectual individual in a defined level of evolution
which includes society within an S/O framework.

Social evolution (the state) would then encompass many parameters including
the necessity of embracing higher emotional and higher intellectual
evolutionary levels in consciousness, heroes, and becomes a whole other
description of evolution, like a political level, beyond family and tribal
entities.

Joe   

>snip> 
> I began wandering about the birth of this pattern. I believe it can be
> argued, based on my own piddly effort and Pirsig's insight that this
> scientific understanding has not fully emerged into the intellectual
> level as MoQ level. Pirsig asks, rightly, is science, in fact,
> independent of society ..and answers not at all. Aristotelian science
> and its developments are in fact not separate from society at all. It
> is a farce to suggest otherwise.
> 
> This makes for an opening: if that is indeed the case (as the MoQ
> argues) then I argue that the SOL, the subject/ object distinction is
> a dominant Western CULTURAL pattern, a combination of social and
> intellectual values meshed together.
> 
> It hinges between the social and the intellectual. The SOL is a
> cultural pattern of value.
> 
>snip> 

> Good night
> Andre
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