[MD] The MOQ Conundrum

[John Carl]

Ham,



> If Pirsig's assertion that "Experience is the cutting edge of Reality" was
> meant to infer that Experience literally creates Reality, then (snip)
>

I negate your "if".  Experience doesn't create reality, it is where your
"individual valuing agent"  meets reality in a creative way.



> However, it is still possible to salvage the identity of Experience and
> Realty -- IF the Reality we're talking about it is empirical Existence.



Is existence empirically derived or is it constructed?  Perhaps a
synthethetic approach would serve.

Me, I'm getting into Royce's Interpretation and finding the waters warm and
inviting, tho deep and over my head also.

Steve's posting of Pirsig's LC quote:

In the MOQ nothing exists prior to the observation.
The observation creates the intellectual patterns called “observed”
and “observer.” Think about it. How could a subject and object exist
in a world where there are no observations?

Observation is obviously an experience, but let's just turn this around and
ask, "How could experience or observation exist with no subjects and no
objects?

John, thinking Ham makes some awfully good points here:




> This, in fact, is what my epistemology does.  It posits experience as an
> active subjective process, rather than a passive receptor of objective
> sensibilia.  That process is the objectification of sensible Value into
> discrete entities that represent our being-in-the-world -- in other words,
> our individual "value constructs".  With this ontology we can equate
> Experience to existential Reality, as well as (for what it's worth)
> preserving Pirsig's other equivalency: Quality=Value.
>
> Does this solve your conundrum, Platt?
>
> Essentially speaking,
> Ham
>
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