[MD] The difference between a Monet and a finger painting

[Ian Glendinning]

Platt, John,

Pater is wrong ... art's value is much MORE than the moment.
The DQ may arise in the moment, but the value contributes to patterns
in biological, social and intellectual levels in many ways. (See the
ref I already gave above.)

Ian

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 6:45 AM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well Platt,
>
> I certainly agree with Watler Pater's REASON for art, but I'm skeptical his
> reasoning and yours obviate my reasoning for reasoning.
>
>
>
> But I'm no expert of course.  As they say, I may not know art but I know
> what I like - the art of rhetorical ambiguity, for instance.
>
> Take Care,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:48 AM, <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, John:
>>
>> I certainly agree we can rationalize our aesthetic judgements (like Kant)
>> and indeed we try to do so to persuade others of our lofty sophistication
>> and elite status. But like reality itself, art is first and foremost an
>> immediate experience whose purpose is, as Walter Pater said: " . . .  to
>> give nothing but the highest quality to your moments as they pass, and
>> simply for those moments' sake."
>>
>> Reason need not apply.
>>
>> Platt
>>
>>
>> On 19 Jan 2010 at 7:18, John Carl wrote:
>>
>> > Well Platt,
>> >
>> > Ant's continuance of this thread  caused some further reflection on my
>> part,
>> > and I realized there is an ambiguity in the simple phrase:  "I can't tell
>> > the difference." that reveals a lot about your ideas of "reason".
>> >
>> > literally it means "I can't speak the difference" but we use it to imply
>> > that "I can't discern the difference."
>> >
>> > If you contrast Reason with intution, then I agree that reason is
>> > incomplete.  But let's give a nod to Grandfather Kant, and put that
>> > mentation in its own category - Pure Reason - and admit that as a
>> practical
>> > matter our reason is the interpretative capacity to weigh our emotional
>> > reactions, our aesthetic sense, our educated knowledge and come up with a
>> > conclusion and a way of communicating it to our listener (another
>> > interpretation). And in this sense, we don't need anything but Reason,
>> Sweet
>> > Reason, to  do the whole job.
>> >
>> > John, being reasonable
>>
>>
>>
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