[MD] Intellect's Symposium

[Mary]

Hello Dave,

[Dave]
In a word it said philosophy matters and understanding the details of
philosophy matters. The other thing of importance directly is that this
whole Nazi-Communist movement pointed to evolution, science, and Social
Darwinism as justification for their actions.
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Social Darwinism is an example of the unfortunate fact that if you screw
around with an idea (like evolution, in this case) long enough, you can come
up with a way to turn it into something else.  Philosophy for the masses
seems like a lot to bite off.  What if we just start with "proper
application of the scientific method" for the masses?  Would that help?
Seems easier to me. :)  

Mary

- The most important thing you will ever make is a realization.


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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of David Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [MD] Intellect's Symposium

Bo,

I sent they last response a bit to fast and need to correct the recap a
little:

> Intellect is [the power or capacity for knowledge enabled by] some
combination
of evolving "wetware" and "application
> software" that emerged at or near the border between the biological and
> social levels.  It then latched on, grew, and evolved over some
substantial
> period of time until a critical mass of (shared information?) was reached
> and the intellectual level emerged. It's probable the emerging intellect
may
> have been the defining event that separated the two levels. In other words
> in highly probable you have to have an intellect before you can develop
> really effective, teachable, communication techniques such a language.

By while reading last night with public TV running on mute I spotted some
horrendous images of bulldozers pushing human bodies into pits. I turn on
the sound and watched the rest of the program. I didn't get the name but it
was a documentary of the early Soviet part of the Communist Revolution
before and just into the start of WWII. It was primarily based on the newly
released information from Soviet archives and commentaries primarily by
people whom survived behind the curtain, many of them lower level Soviet
officials. It started with Lenin's purges, moved on to Stalin's starving 7
million Ukrainians to death, the collaboration between the Nazi's and
Soviets to overrun and split Poland, attack Finland and Norway and on and
on.

As horrible as it was the scariest thing of relevance here is that the also
tied it in to the philosophy of Marx and others showing that it had (and
still has in spite of the consequences) widespread support of factions all
over the Europe and the world. It suggested that without this support the
consequences might have been much different.

In a word it said philosophy matters and understanding the details of
philosophy matters. The other thing of importance directly is that this
whole Nazi-Communist movement pointed to evolution, science, and Social
Darwinism as justification for their actions.

Why the details of MoQ matter is that if we are to move from a system which
has just two divisions (subjects and objects) to a system which has five
divisions (DQ and four SQ levels all with separate and conflicting codes)
all based on evolution the complexity and chances for misinterpretation
increases logarithmically.

Dave



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