[MD] Are theists irrational?

[John Carl]

Marsha,

What's your definition of an anti-theist?


John

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:08 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> Mark (Bruce mentioned),
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> It seems for you, Mark, that the loss of God is low value, although I might
> question how much discomfort is 'some discomfort'.  My definition of an
> atheist is:  Atheists are people who believe that god or gods (or other
> supernatural beings) are man-made constructs, myths and legends or
> who believe that these concepts are not meaningful.  I do not find the
> disappointment that Bruce suggested was mandatory for atheists.
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>
> Marsha
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> On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 PM, markhsmit wrote:
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> > For me Quality equals God, so I can't drop the term without some
> discomfort.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > "The MOQ would add a fourth stage where the term "God" is completely
> dropped as a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and Dynamic
> freedom. The MOQ is not just atheistic in this regard. It is anti-theistic."
> > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Bruce Underwood wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello all, I hope that you don't mind me jumping in on this thread, but
> here it goes.
> >>
> >> Science: Science, in my opinion, ask a separate question than religion.
> Science asks,"how" and religion asks "why". However,one thing that folks
> want to do is to make science into a belief. IMO, science in merely a method
> devised at the intellectual level to ask "how" things are made, work,
> operate, etc. Science is not something to believe in, but a set of tool to
> explore. That said,it has become the "church of science",as Pirsig puts it,
> and has become something that people worship.
> >>
> >> Religion: Religion, on the other hand, firstly, attempts to look beyond
> the now into unknown world of "why", but where its rudderless obsessions of
> control, combined with ignorance, along with the thought "that man can know
> the mind of God" has placed it in categories of distrust and hypocrisy.
> Regardless of the fairy tales that have been created over the millennium,
> there exists the unknown that moves and organize things against the laws of
> nature. In MoQ we call it Dynamic Quality. The thing is, MoQ, at least,
> provides the possibilty, with argument, for "God" to exist by whatever name
> you want to give it. The purpose of religion should be to move life forward
> and to give man hope. Where faith comes in is in the hope that there is more
> to life than existance; I believe MoQ does that.
> >>
> >> The section below is from chapter 11 of Lila.
> >>
> >> "Thermodynamics states that all energy systems "run down" like a clock
> and
> >> never rewind themselves. But life not only "runs up," converting low
> >> energy sea-water, sunlight and air into high-energy chemicals, it keeps
> >> multiplying itself into more and better clocks that keep "running up"
> >> faster and faster.
> >> Why, for example, should a group of simple, stable compounds of carbon,
> >> hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen struggle for billions of years to organize
> >> themselves into a professor of chemistry? What's the motive?...
> >>
> >> The question is: Then why does nature reverse this process? What on
> earth
> >> causes the inorganic compounds to go the other way? It isn't the sun's
> >> energy. We just saw what the sun's energy did. It has to be something
> >> else. What is it?... Dynamic Quality"
> >>
> >> Theist, Agnostic, Atheist: IMO, the only person without faith is the
> agnostic that does not search for the "truth". However, the one who searches
> for truth will always be disappointed as a theist or atheist unless he
> accepts the lies in either camp. The truth is somewhere in the middle and is
> found in the journey itself. MoQ is the closet thing that points to the
> truth that I have found.
> >>
> >> My graphical representation of this found on slide 20 of the ppt deck
> that I provided a couple of weeks back. Here is the link:
> >> http://www.thinnerself.com/files/MoQ/lila-6a.ppt
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
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