[MD] Confirming the existence of God?

[markhsmit]

[Mark responds to Joe below]

Hi Joe,

Sounds like you are using the technique used by Gurdjieff as told in
"In Search of the Miraculous" written by P.D. Ouspensky.  He uses
octaves to describe reality in much the same way.  My guess is that
you have read the book, if not, you may find it kind of interesting.

Thanks for the good attempt.

Mark

[Joe]
Hi Ant and Mary,

Imho It is difficult to describe the raison-d¹etre for morality. A
hierarchy for morality is hard to identify. Pirsig suggests levels in
evolution become a basis for moral judgments. How many levels? He suggests
DQ/SQ is the formula for identifying levels, inorganic, organic, social,
intellectual.

I suggest using the musical octave as a template for Evolution‹Levels in
existence as the arbiter of right action. The DQ in levels in existence:
Gravity, Instinct (2), Consciousness (4):

DQ/ SQ

DO Gravity: Inorganic

RE Instinct: Organic (one cell reproduction)

MI Instinct: Organic (multi-cell reproduction)

Interval: Can¹t Cross: Evolution would stop without cosmic intervention.

FA Consciousness: 

*Emotion (feeling) is an orphan in DQ only, no definition possible. SO
undefined is boundless in self-consciousness. Emotions lays the groundwork
for the definition of SO at the intellectual level. Undefined consciousness
is DQ at the emotional level. Why do I feel like I do? Only at the
intellectual level can Emotion be defined. Emotion seems to be a natural
movement from an instinctive basis for activity to a self-conscious basis
for activity. The feeling level in decision-making in an individual is too
complex to be explained by evolution from instinct.

SOL Consciousness: 

Intellect DQ/SQ. The level of evolution remains undefined in the movement
from the undefined emotions of an individual to a higher defined level,
intellect. 

LA Consciousness: 

Higher Emotion (Consciousness only) Endless possibilities and only heroes
seem to have the discipline to become conscious in higher emotion. E.G.,
Pirsig! 

TI Consciousness: 

Higher Intellect (Consciousness only) Buddha, Christ, Etc.


Interval: Can¹t Cross, Evolution ends. Humans have evolved no further.

IMHO it is easier to describe *emotion (feeling) as the first manifestation
of evolution in dq/consciousness rather than the evolution to a Social
order. Order demands a structure from the intellectual order.

Joe