[MD] Re Proposed solution to SOL/Intellectual level

[Khoo Hock Aun]

Hi Mark and Marsha,

Apologies,

I tried to channel too many impressions into a single reply. So it fell
flat. So let me try again.

1) Mark, your quote from the Dhammapada/Buddha had a typo "without thoughts"
It should read "with our thoughts". The last time, a letter "r" was
dropped/replaced with such
significance was when theancient Christian monks, in hand copied
"celebrate" in their texts   : )
I am kiddlng you. Its an old joke.

2) Marsha, the quotation in full can be found here.
http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/dhammapada-01.html. The quote correctly
applies for the individual, but as I tried to invert, also for the group as
a whole. What they collectively think and agree to think as the
norm, manifests as the world we find ourselves in. For instnace, if the rest
of the world wants to get caught up in a pissing contest, chances are if I
hang around, I will get caught up in the crossfires. What I make of all the
piss in the wind is another thing altogether; and I have been in one too
many to know that to get the best out of it is to stay out of it.
3) Mark, we may not know individually at a specific time how the rest of the
world thinks. But collectively we can get a fairly good idea. Over  time, we
can see where everyone else is coming from. I had a chance to delve
again into organic chemistry in the work I am doing, and reminded again of
the strong carbon bonds that exist, without which we would not have had the
stability of so many macro-molecules that gives life its basis and
elasticities. In the social context humans form instinctly, valences with
certain norms and structures, which become convention and therefore
"real". If we have a periodic table of such human valences we would come up
with those that persist most and those which persist less.

Best regards
Khoo Hock Aun




On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:26 AM, markhsmit <markhsmit at aol.com> wrote:

>
> I like to think of it as a sharing of ideas which
> may create something, but if not, at least I
> learn.
>
> I have no idea what the rest of the world
> thinks, I am not a mind reader.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> If its a pissing contest you think...
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Khoo Hock Aun wrote:
>
> > Hi Marsha,
> >
> > There is a typo there which Mark did not intend. It should actually read:
> >
> > "We are what we think
> > All that we are arises with our thoughts...
> > With our thoughts we make
> >
> > However,
> > Its not really important what I think.
> > I think its more important what the rest thinks.
> > I have to live in a world they all make up for me : )
> >
> > Seriously,
> > If we all get caught in a pissing competition
> > about who gets the best word in
> > then all we get is a lot of urine in the air !
> >
> > Afraid so and best regards
> > Khoo Hock Aun
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:19 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Greetings Khoo,
> >>
> >> I will read, but, but, but,,,
> >>
> >>
> >> We are what we think
> >> All that we are arrises with out thoughts.
> >> With our thoughts we make the world
> >> -Dhammapada
> >>
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Marsha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 24, 2010, at 7:42 AM, Khoo Hock Aun wrote:
> >>
> >>> But Marsha,
> >>>
> >>> Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
> >>> Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;
> >>>
> >>> But there is neither East nor West. Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
> >>> When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends
> of
> >>> the earth!
> >>>
> >>> There is a gem of a piece on Ruddy at
> >>> http://www.f.waseda.jp/buda/texts/ballad.html. Enjoy!
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Khoo Hock Aun
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:38 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Khoo,
> >>>>
> >>>> I do not understand why Bo says such things. I think/hope/believe/feel
> >> the
> >>>> MoQ a bridge between the Wisdom of the East and the intellect
> (science)
> >>>> of the West.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Marsha
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:21 AM, Khoo Hock Aun wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bo concludes after commenting on the half-baked SOM of the Orient and
> >> the
> >>>>> woolly mess in its wake that:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Western MOQ will be a better "Buddhism"!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Khoo:
> >>>>> I would certainly like to see this if it were to be so: }
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What are we talking about here:
> >>>>> An intellectual pattern better than another intellectual pattern ?
> >>>>> A Dynamic aspect better than its Static aspect?
> >>>>> A better route than another route to Reality?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there a Western MOQ to begin with ?
> >>>>> I do not remember Pirsig saying as such
> >>>>> in either ZAMM or LILA ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In what way will it be better ?
> >>>>> The way Muslims say Islam is better ?
> >>>>> The way Christians says theirs is better ?
> >>>>> Science says its better, because they seek the Truth,
> >>>>> Nothing less nothing more.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is this what the Western MOQ is about ?
> >>>>> Truth Seeking, Reality Seeking, Morally Speaking ?
> >>>>> Evolution on to Better State,
> >>>>> Or an Ultimate Reality, an Ultimate Good ?
> >>>>> That is better than the other "Good"s?
> >>>>> Always better, never lesser.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wonder.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Buddha after all did say" What I have taught you is like the
> leaves
> >>>> in
> >>>>> my hand
> >>>>> and what I have not taught you is like the leaves in the jungle"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Perhaps Buddhism as a Metaphysics is indeed insufficient
> >>>>> and a Western MOQ will make up the difference.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best Regards
> >>>>> Khoo Hock Aun
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