[MD] Intellect's Symposium

[David Thomas]

All,

> [Bo said]
> Without casting myself in some important role I was the one who
> started questioning the 4th. level as presented in LILA and the letter is
> Pirsigs reply to Paul Tuner.
[Dave]
No need to be modest Bo you have been straight forward and honest about your
goal for years. To correct what you believe to a fatal flaw in Pirsig's
work. If you are successful this will as you say at the end of your SOL
essay it will," ... make .. my legacy." (you may be right see below)
> [quotes from Turner letter]
>     The question you raise about the intellectual level has troubled
>     me too. When I answered Dan Glover in Lila's Child, I
>     remember being a little annoyed that anyone should ask what
>     the intellectual level is-as though he were asking me what I
>     mean by the word, "the."
The following refer to the call by RMP to limit the social level to human
social. 
>     I think the same happens to the term, "intellectual," when one
>     extends it much before the Ancient Greeks.* If one extends the
>     term intellectual to include primitive cultures just because they
>     are thinking about things, why stop there? How about
>     chimpanzees? Don't they think? How about earthworms? Don't
>     they make conscious decisions? How about bacteria
>     responding  
> 
> "Ancient Greeks" means SOM in a MOQ context, ipso facto!

Bullshito facto

Thank you for digging this out and posting it. Khoo asked and I couldn't
remember where it came from or exactly what it said.

I think what we have here is you practicing "Phadreus reading." That method
of reading by which you only skim only looking for those points that might
be construed to support your argument. Overlooking all else.

Could not, and should not the phase "when one extends it to much before" be
left to mean just what it implies: the emergence of the intellectual level
should probably be limited to a period of time not much before Ancient
Greeks which history refers to as the Axial Age.

Your selective reading and myopic perspective warps a general period of time
into a specific place, time and philosophy. Not what Pirsig is saying here
and not what Pirsig is saying on the pages of Lila I asked you to reread
this morning.

However I still to stand by the claim that you still have an opportunity to
build a legacy with your position. If your claim that the intellectual level
only emerged in Ancient Greece and the sole occupant of the intellectual
level is SOM, then indeed you will have a legacy. That legacy will be as the
man who sharpened the stake driven into the heart of the MoQ that killed it
from ever becoming a plan for the bridge between Eastern and Western
philosophy. (Read Khoo's post for a hint)

Dave

 
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