[MD] Intellect's Symposium

MarshaV valkyr at att.net
Mon Jan 25 23:42:05 PST 2010




Bored?  Well, we can't tolerate boredom, can we?    Sorry I mentioned it.              
 
 
 
 
On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:57 PM, John Carl wrote:

> Bonk me on the head? Sure Marsha, be my guest.
> 
> Watch out for the big, big puddle on your way down the driveway.  Stay on
> the right, next to the tree or you might float away.
> 
> Yes, the 'idea' would be a pattern, but an experience
>> need not be patterned.  Instead of tenderness, try a
>> little meditation.  Or, you once offered to hit me on the
>> back of the head with a 2x4, may I offer to do the same
>> to you.
>> 
> 
> Ok, let's take this one step at a time.  You admit that "unpatterned
> experience" is not meaningful for me, but it is for you.  So we have a
> comparison of contrasting subjective experience and you offer to help me see
> what you see.  Meditation of 2x4, take my pick.
> 
> I've meditated.  I tried it for five minutes and then I got bored.
> 
> Just kidding.
> 
> I've tried meditating while digging ditches, but really, I wasn't
> meditating, I was thinking deeply.
> 
> I like thinking deeply so I enjoy digging ditches.  Anybody who enjoys
> digging ditches is probably easy to please, and basically a contented
> person.  How do you convince a contented person to change their ways?
> 
> Guru: Ah, but if you would only follow the correct path, the right teaching,
> the true way, you'd reach enlightenment and encompass all things under
> heaven and earth.
> 
> Contented person: Yah, but I'll get there eventually anyway, just seeking
> naturally from inside my ordinary life.  And I'd rather go my own way,
> follow my own path, realize my own enlightenment one step at a time than be
> constrained by any authority, teacher or guru.  How are you gonna argue with
> that?
> 
> Guru:  I can't.
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