[MD] Intellect's Symposium

[Mary]

Hello John!

[I said]
the Intellectual Level is a STATIC Level.  It is not the be-all end-all of
reality.  Pirsig says this.

[then you said]
If by "STATIC" we mean "definitionaly bound", well I simply disagree.  Where
do you draw the upper boundary of intellectual patterning?  Because once you
get it bound, you talk about it, objectify and use it conceptually in
further formulations which grow the old boundaries.
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I think you can draw the upper boundary of intellectual patterning at the
point where the subject meets the object - where the subjective rubber meets
the objective road.  I think the limit of the intellectual level stops at
the point where we try to conceptualize anything in terms other than
subjects and objects.  This is why I am almost 99% in Bodvar's Intellectual
Level = SOM camp at this point.  Give me one example where you are able to
conceptualize anything without presupposing a viewer and a viewed and I will
probably be able to say that is an example of transcending the Intellectual
Level to enter the realm of pre-intellectual awareness - otherwise known as
Quality.  What do you think?

Mary