[MD] Intellect's Symposium

[Andre Broersen]

Mary to John:
I think you can draw the upper boundary of intellectual patterning at the
point where the subject meets the object - where the subjective rubber
meets the objective road.  I think the limit of the intellectual level
stops at
the point where we try to conceptualize anything in terms other than
subjects and objects.  This is why I am almost 99% in Bodvar's Intellectual
Level = SOM camp at this point.  Give me one example where you are
able to conceptualize anything without presupposing a viewer and a
viewed and I will probably be able to say that is an example of
transcending the Intellectual Level to enter the realm of
pre-intellectual awareness - otherwise known as Quality.  What do you
think?

Andre:
Hi Mary and John,
The 'one example' are too many... Phaedrus' experience with the
Indians, the entire Oriental philosophical tradition where direct
experience was accepted, unequivocally and intellectual patterning
took place, instead of (in the West) theoretical postulates were
formed from which intellectual patterning took place etc etc.(typical
scientific S/O divisions)

Bodvar argues that this (Oriental,direct experience) approach is
'wooly' that in some way 'the Orient' MUST have gone through some sort
of S/O stage...and even worse that because they appear not to have
'gone through' the Western SOM stage they are somehow wanting,
lacking...( wooly) not ready for the big Quality breakthrough, the big
Quality appreciation.

This is quite a claim to make and, in my view very short sighted.

You also say that: 'I think you can draw the upper boundary of
intellectual patterning at the point where the subject meets the
object - where the subjective rubber meets the objective road.

I really like the analogy but why should this herald the 'upper
boundary' of the intellectual level? The intellectual level holds
tools...sign manipulation tools. Mr. Pirsig has not only expanded the
tools but also the signs.

'Transcending the intellectual level' ...what does that mean? Like
shutting it out for a while...experience something... and then return
to it to linguistically convey your experience?

Imho

What do you think?

Andre