[MD] The difference between a Monet and a finger painting

[markhsmit]

Hi Ham,
It is called humility, and with it comes great power.
Cheers,
Mark
Mark --


On Jan 30, 2010, at 1:33:36 PM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Finally, if (as I believe) the physical universe is a construct
> of man's value-sensibility, its order, design and dynamics
> are representative phenomena of human intelligence, in which
> case the terms "randomness" and "determinism" are meaningless.
> For, if we cannot predict what the future will bring,
> how can we possibly know that our "free choices" are not
> predetermined?

[Mark]:
> I know you have stated the above before. But, for whatever
> reason, something clicked. Although this may not be what you
> are talking about, when I look at the interface between my (man's)
> brain/body, and what is outside, there is creation at work.
> We could say that this is man-made mind. We actually perceive
> so little of the physical universe, which at our level of sensibility
> actually appears solid (while it is not).

I'm glad something clicked. But you're still hung up on a physical 
universe.
Think of the universe as a "world of appearances" which you yourself 
intellectualize from sensory experience. It is your world, your reality, 
the object of your subjectivity.
What you see as beautiful is what you value as beauty. What you admire as 
intelligent reflects your intellectual values. The morality you aspire to 
is what your sensibility values as good and virtuous.

> So, I do agree with you (at least I agree with what I understand
> you to say), that our perception of reality is our creation.
> It has to be. Now, this is not new to me, as all along
> I have been firm in my commitment in that our belief systems,
> whatever they are, are personal creations. I have brought our
> infatuation with science into that same subjective belief. So,
> perhaps we are closer than thought. I have trouble with the word
> Essence, possibly because I am looking for something, which
> I believe would be impossible.
>
> However, having said that, I would still posit that each and everything
> and cluster of things, also creates it's own reality by its own
> perception. That is from a neutrino to a supernova. These are not
> human perceptions, but there is nothing special about my bag
> of chemicals. There can't be, unless we are somehow special.
> Of course, you wouldn't be the first person to say that.

If you can't think of yourself as "special", try thinking of someone you 
regard as special. Or think of the achievements of mankind throughout 
history. Surely there is something very special about human interaction 
with the world, as compared with any other species or entity. In a 
valuistic (qualitative) sense, the universe is an anthropocentric system 
whose form, qualities, and attributes are defined by man's experience and 
measured in terms of his value-sensibility. Being itself is a construct 
that you "create" valuistically. Things ("in themselves") don't have to 
"perceive" values inasmuch as their existence is the result of YOUR value 
sensibility.

As you yourself said, "our perception of reality is our creation. It has to 
be."

Exactly! So why don't you believe it?

Cheers,
Ham


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