[MD] Reading & Comprehension

[MarshaV]

Hi Bo,





On Jun 1, 2010, at 4:46 AM, skutvik at online.no wrote:

> Mary, Marsha, All
> 
> 31 May.:
> 
> Marsha had said  
>>> While I think the fourth level is SOM all the way.  I hold the level
>>> structure lightly.  To me the nature of all patterns has had a far
>>> greater impact.
> 
> Right you are Marsha the intellectual level is SOM all the way, at least 
> S/O, the "M" is handed over to the MOQ. However, an "observation" 
> on the "structure" part. You hold it lightly Marsha, and that's good, but 
> it ought to be erased totally.

Marsha:
I do not understand your point.  In spite of my choice of words and 
phrases, it's Reality is Quality(unpatterned/patterned).  


> The levels have no structure separate from their content.. The 
> inorganic level is inorganic value patterns, I don't say "matter" because 
> that tricks us into believing that the intellectual level corresponds to 
> SOM's mental structure called "mind" that contains thoughts, 
> concepts, ideas ...etc. The structure/content dualism leads back into 
> SOM.    

Hi Bo,

Marsha:
Reality is Quality(unpatterned/patterned).   From my point-of-view,
once you understand the nature of all patterns the confusion is
alleviated.  The nature of all patterns within all four levels is the same:  
ever-changing, interdependent, relative, impermanent. That which a 
pattern represents is categorized into the four levels.  This is how I
understand it, and this understanding represents a totally new 
world-view.  I've become disconnected from the s/o point-of-view.  Some 
old s/o habit of thinking is still there, and needs to be monitored; I am 
no buddha.  But that s/o thinking no longer has a me.   From a Quality 
point-of-view, whether of a biological type or of an intellectual type, 
they are first simply patterns: ever-changing, interdependent, relative 
and impermanent. 



Marsha
 
 
 
 


> [Mary Replies] 
>> Exactly!  The definition of the Intellectual Level, though, is
>> essential to understanding the MoQ.  I don't think it's possible to
>> grasp the enormity of the implications inherent in a worldview of
>> Value while clinging to the notion that the Intellectual Level is more
>> than SOM.
> 
> I join you here, Mary,  and repeat in fiery letters: THE DEFINITION Of 
> the THE INTELLECTUAL LEVEL IS ESSENTIAL TO 
> UNDERSTANDING THE MOQ. I will also point to your next sentence:  
> 
>    "I don't think it's possible to grasp the enormity of the 
>    implications inherent in a worldview of Value while clinging to 
>    the notion that the Intellectual Level is more than SOM.   
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> this "indention" I usually reserve for Pirsig, but this deserves it. It is the 
> earlier world view - SOM - stripped of its "M" and relegated the position 
> of the topmost static value which spells the  ENORMOUS 
> IMPLICATIONS that Mary refers to, and what Pirsig indicates in his 
> "in-out-turn" of the metaphysical sock. However what made Pirsig 
> substitute this crucial point for the bland and ambiguous intellectual 
> level of LILA is the mystery. He has later rejected his own thinking 
> (mind-) intellect, but what does this  help, the "gang of four" makes it 
> sound as a betraying the person RMP.
> 
> Bodvar
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> PS.
> Thanks Mary for the transcription of the Pirsig interview, what an 
> enormous job it must have been!
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