[MD] grmbl

[Krimel]

Andre,
[Marsha to Andre]
Maybe you can help me understand your position.  Does 
any of the 'SKILLFUL manipulation of symbols' exclude 
rational analysis?  

[Krimel]
I don't think "skillful" manipulation has anything to do with it. Bad ideas
are just as much a part of the intellectual "level" as good ones. Patterns
are patterns. "Good" paintings hang in the gallery right next to "bad" ones.
Our job are "art critics" is to decide for ourselves which is which.