[MD] Art and Stories

[John Carl]

Krimel,

Good point about fundamentalists missing out.  I agree completely.  Atheists
also usually miss this point as well.

In fact, I often think of fundamentalists and atheists as two sides of the
same coin.  Both sides are very sure of themselves and their intellectual
encapsulations.

John

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Krimel <Krimel at krimel.com> wrote:

> Steve:
> What do you think about "not real, but true" applied to fiction?
>
> [Krimel]
> I think this extends well beyond fiction. I first arrived at this point
> through reading about scripture. It is a point I think Campbell makes very
> well and a point fundamentalists of every stripe seem to miss. I suspect it
> applies to all written works and even to "information" in general.
> Information in the Shannon sense of the term is data plus meaning where
> meaning is reduction in uncertainty. Perhaps meaning is the applicable
> terms
> here since a great many "factual" things are trivial with regard to
> meaning.
>
> [Steve]
> This is the sort of thing I think Neil Gaiman would say, too (about
> stories)  I personally wouldn't use the words "true" or "real" for
> fiction since they sound to me like direct contradictions to the word
> fiction, but I really like the last bit about "making sense" as
> something distinct from truth and reality which applies as well to
> both fiction and nonfiction.
>
> [Krimel]
> I have long been a fan of Gaiman. My youngest daughter tells me we are
> still
> missing one issue of his run of "Sandman" comics. I find him far more
> entertaining than profound but he certainly has mined the Mythos.
>
> But is "meaningful" a better term than either "true" or "real?"
>
> As Gaiman or even Shannon might say, "Absotively."
>
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