[MD] grmbl

[MarshaV]

On Jun 3, 2010, at 1:43 AM, MarshaV wrote:

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>> ((Andre defines for Marsha))
>> My definition of the intellectual level coincides with Mr. Pirsig's
>> (since we are talking MOQ stuff here): the SKILLFUL manipulation
>> of symbols......... ( I am sure you know how the rest goes).
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>> [Marsha to Andre]
>> Maybe you can help me understand your position.  Does 
>> any of the 'SKILLFUL manipulation of symbols' exclude 
>> rational analysis?  
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> Andre:
> Okay Marsha, I'll oblige.
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> Mr. Pirsig 'defined' the intellectual level as the skillful manipulation
> of symbols. Of course this does not exclude rational analysis.
> Mr. Pirsig sets logic, higher mathematics etc as very high quality
> intellectual patterns of value...but he also includes philosophy,
> rhetoric, dialectics as different skillful means of, first of all pointing
> to (could be different areas) and from there applying 'the knife'.


Marsha:
RMP stated that the fourth level included such intellectual patterns as 
science, philosophy, mathematics, all dependent on rationality.  Maybe 
you can find where RMP mentions Intellectual patterns that are not 
of based on rationality?     

I doubt that rhetoric and dialectic exclude rationality.  Where is your 
reference for the inclusion of rhetoric and dialectic in the Intellectual 
Level replacing rational analysis?  You may be correct, but I don't 
remember such an explanation.




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