[MD] The Greeks?

[Krimel]

> [Krimel]
> Try sticking this piece into puzzle. You are a code jockey. 
> The intellectual level is composed of ideas, patterns of 
> thought. Ideas are encoded in wetware in binary that is 
> platform specific to each individual human. Symbols are second 
> order languages that can be manipulated across platforms.
> The intellectual level is virtual storage that holds all of the second
> order code.
> 
[Mary Replies] 
I would prefer the analogy that the Intellectual Level is object-oriented.

[Krimel]
That may be where we disagree big time them and why you agree with Bo. That
would limit the "level" to a particular type of code. In this case a level
of code where it doesn't even really matter how its coded but how it works.
Again that would be very Bo-esque. The "works" part ought to even score
points with dmb. I think the "level" is the collection of all the code
regardless of whether or not it even works all that really matter for it to
belong to the "level" is that it can be accessed.

> [Krimel]
> Pirsig talks about SOM not because it is not some universal assembly
> language that metaphysically runs on Intel and Motorola chips but
> because it is Basic or maybe C++. He hopes the MoQ will be like Java.
> 
[Mary Replies] 
I certainly hope the MoQ is more efficient that Java.  It's easy to code but
a dog at runtime.

[Krimel]
Maybe you read these discussions differently than I but all I see is loops
that only end in crashes. In fact I think the snippets of useful code that
Pirsig provided have already been replaced by more powerful and efficient
programmers.