[MD] until death do us part

[MarshaV]

Hi John,

Via the  radio waves, the topic rages onward.  This morning the 
discussion had advanced to the 'science of marriage'.  I did giggle.
It seems this expert was claiming that the statistics were changing 
and marriages were strengthening and lengthening.  It was those
'damn' baby boomers that had caused the warping towards divorce.
It was also mentioned that marriage was being delayed until the 
late '20s.  Certainly marrying when one is mature helps.  I was 
first married at nineteen.  I was so immature with such happily-
ever-after expectations that the marriage was doomed.  And, of 
course, there was that 'I am woman hear me roar' attitude that 
made me consider things other than dusting.  Bless Betty Friedan!!!

John, you make a good point about education.  My second marriage 
was on a slight slippery slope when two pieces of valuable information 
came my way, one was definitely ZMM which shifted my point-of-view.
The other was discovering I was a type (INTP) which meant my 
husband was a different type.  A simple thing like that made me realize
that people had different points-of-view.  Then I became very 
interested in learning how he must experience the world.  The marriage 
became new again.   The meaning of everything shifted to a better, more
interesting point-of-view.   It didn't help my kids, though, I was too soon 
stupid and too late smart.  



Bye John,


Marsha



  





On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:36 AM, John Carl wrote:

> I have a simple answer for what the intellectual level can do - Teach!
> 
> We spend a lot of time in high school on many different subjects - almost
> none on two of the most important and intertwined life skills -
> child-rearing and marriage - that are the most central to human existence.
> 
> Intelligence and luck both have a lot to do with success in these
> all-important endeavors, but I'm betting that education would help a lot.
> 
> Likewise, understanding the levels structure helps us make more rational
> weighings of the wisdom of hooking up with a particular partner.
> 
> When I got married the first time, I hadn't read ZAMM or Lila yet and that
> marriage was a disaster.  When I met Lu, I had a firm grasp of the MoQ and
> that marriage has been a success.  Correlation or causation?
> 
> That's the tricky thing about empiricism, it gives us facts, but WE must
> give the meaning.
> 
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> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:16 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Greetings All,
>> 
>> Thank you for responding.  It is good to hear of long-lived marriages that
>> still have value.
>> Maybe my question is in what can the intellectual level do to help the
>> social level with a
>> pattern such as marriage.  Possibly by intelligent individuals setting a
>> good example?
>> But that doesn't seem right.  Luck seems a better answer.  But, but but...
>> 
>> When I consider the levels, I see their association with evolution as a
>> practical enticement
>> to the West to introduce/consider a monism based on Value to replace a
>> dualism based
>> on subjects and objects.  I cannot understand how the level structure
>> actually helps make
>> improvement other than hypothetically.  How can the level structure be
>> anything but stepping
>> stones to a Quality?
>> 
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>> Marsha
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