[MD] The Greeks?

Matt Kundert pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 10 19:40:29 PDT 2010


Mary said:
The levels are but a representation of reality.  Given a 
choice, would you prefer to access the representation or 
the thing represented?

Matt:
This is what I would call a fake choice, between a 
representation and a thing-in-itself.  If that were a real 
choice, who wouldn't rather have the thing itself?  But 
philosophy since Descartes and Locke, two people largely 
responsible for imposing the "representational mind" 
between us and reality (though Kant locked it all into 
place), hasn't been able to say practically what it means 
to get to the thing-in-itself.

So, given a choice, I punch the dilemma between the 
horns, throw sand in its eyes, and scurry out of the arena.

Marsha said:
I love the opposite-from-non-x , such as 
opposite-from-non-justice or opposite-from-non-copper, or 
opposite-from-non-zebra, or even opposite-from-non-father, 
as a representation of a pattern.  So many attributes of 
'thingness' seem to disappear with its use.  Maybe it may be 
useful as a model.

Matt:
Aye, it's a good way to get the hang of potentially infinite 
number of things one can say about any particular "thing," 
which leads one to think there is no essence to that thing, 
just a multiplicity of ways of looking at all dependent on 
what you want it for.

Matt
 		 	   		  
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