[MD] The Greeks?

[John Carl]

Matt and Krimel,

I think both you drips have got it wrong:)


>  Krimel said:
> Interesting I tend to see philosophical worldview obeying
> some kind of Laffer curve with the intellectual trickle down
> taking decades to drip through.
>
> Matt:
> Sure, which just punches up how _not_ coherent and
> integrated a daily, common sense Weltanschauung, with
> all sorts of drips into it, must be.  Even a philosopher who
> articulates a philosophical system--it's coherent and
> integrated _on the page_, not in their head.  The philosopher
> typically pretends that their mind _is_ the page, like Bo
> wishing reality _were_ the MoQ, and hopes for a total
> revolution in other people's heads.  But that was just a
> philosopher's myth.  The dripping is the only process that
> has ever happened, and should be the only process the
> philosopher hopes for.


I think philosophy and ideas lie dormant through years, not in any
accumulated drip system, but waiting like seeds, for the right social
conditions.

And when the right conditions occur, these ideas break forth and grow fast
and a new paradigm is born.  It's happened before, it'll happen again.

Those butterfly cells are really very interesting, you know.  A very
unexpected, yet totally predictable development.

>
> Krimel said:
> I see Wilson as much more like Pirsig than the other two.
> He emphasized culture as a biological strategy that grows
> "out of" biological systems. But then the idea of levels as
> discrete and in competition with each other has always
> seemed bogus to me. I think one level grows out of another
> when the lower level provides enough static quality for a
> new level of DQ to operate. In fact in this sense I would
> say SQ is a much higher level of betterness or whatever
> than DQ.
>
>

Man, that is weird.  I keep coming round to this conflict and I'm always on
 the side of DQ and the enemy is always on that side you describe, Krimel.
 Worshippers of SQ.  Idolators.


The Holy War rages on: the word vs. the image, faith vs. belief, the prophet
arrayed against the pope.  The Good fight.

Thanks for being a windmill in my fantasy of giants.

Jc