[MD] Transhumanism

[John Carl]

Good point, Andre,

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Andre Broersen <andrebroersen at gmail.com>wrote:

> Platt to Krimel, All:
>
>
> The relevance of the MOQ is clear. Science has a defect. "The defect is
> that subject-object science has no provision for morals.
>
> Andre:
> And you are according it the highest (intellect)ual status...and defend it
> to the tooth!



That's exactly what they're doing.  But you have to admit, science IS the
highest (intellectual) status in MoQ terms.   They're just following what is
correct.

Too bad that what is correct, is wrong.  "Intellect" is a faulty label for
the creative symbolic manipulations which guide social patterns.  The
connotations (!) of intellect in our society exclude Art, which Pirsig
himself accords the higher archy.

And Science devoid of Art is Not the highest human "knowing" and there is
nothing more to say to any who thinks otherwise.

By what art OR science can the scientifically- oriented, be made to realize
the value of art?

An ongoing question, but only for those who are brain-pliable enough to keep
asking.

And as Matt so eloquently pointed out, there is resistance to accepting any
other's viewpoints on a forum dedicated to arguing, and certainly enough
ambiguity and misunderstanding in the language we use, that none need ever
"lose" by admitting another's viewpoint.

Interesting.

Good thing we have conversation, or I'd think the whole mess in need of
revision!





> Seems to me you are just as much a part of the problem as that which you
> condemn and sneer at.
>
>
Well I don't believe this was aimed at me specifically, but I'll own it.
 Any formulation of self pretty much guarantees that what you say is true.

I'd be glad to be proved wrong!



> [Andre, speaking from a SOM prison]... (as condemned by you and Bodvar).
>
>
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It is true also, that we all dwell in a SOM prison.  I guess some guy living
in a hut on a mountain can escape the dominant paradigm, but since we all
have internet access, I make assumptions about the common worlds in which we
dwell.  And "A SOM Prison" sounds like a pretty accurate description to me.

I agree completely.

John the agreeable (even tho he just got fired today)