[MD] Transhumanism

[Ian Glendinning]

BTW Krim, just wanted to say Thanks !
Your link has had me browsing around all these people the last two
days ... something I haven't done for 2 or 3 years.
Some very good stuff amongst all the hype - excitement is positive.
(Blogged a post)
Ian

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Ian Glendinning
<ian.glendinning at gmail.com> wrote:
> Krim, need to unpick this ...
>
>> [Krimel]
>> I take Kurzweils basic point to be that humans will develop AIs that will
>> help them develop smarter AIs. That has already happened BTW. Eventually AIs
>> get to be smart enough to develop smarter AIs without help or AI+. Those AIs
>> can then develop geometrically smarter and smarter AI++s. That is the
>> "singularity" as I understand it.
>
> First.
> "I take Kurzweils basic point to be that humans will develop AIs that
> will help them develop smarter AIs. That has already happened BTW."
> Yes clearly, no brainer.
>
> Second
> "Eventually AIs get to be smart enough to develop smarter AIs without
> help or AI+."
> I get that is his point, but we are simply now debating "smart" ...
> intelligence, intellect, etc ... No one (nothing) gets smarter without
> help - static patterns around them, and patterns that are
> interconnected with many more things than sheer processing power. A
> very smart human doesn't get smarter using only their brain in
> isolation ... at whatever speed an AGI might get smarter it too is
> unlikely to get smarter in isolation either. It needs to evolve, and
> the speed of evolution is to do with genetic and memetic reproduction
> rates over the generations, not processing power in the current
> generation.
>
> A smart AGI that fails to recognize the value of humans, is like a
> smart human failing to value their eco-environment ... won't last
> long. The limiting factors are far more than processing capabilities
> ... at the intellectual level.
>
> There are interpretations of "the singularity" that involve human-AI
> symbiosis, that seem much more credible to me. Uploading or otherwise.
> You seem to be living out your literary character Krimel :-)
>
> Fewer sceptics at the 2010 event I see.
> Ian
>