[MD] Reading & Comprehension

[Mary]

Hi Krimel,

> Just a question for Mary: What's it like being rescued by one the
> Knights
> Who Say, Ni?
>

I find it apropos since the leader of the Knights changed it to "the Knights
who say an odd string of syllables".

Mary

> 
> Mary said:
> Almost a week and no response.  I would like you, the thesis writer, to
> tell
> me what the difference is between the Intellectual Level and the
> Social.
> Save me from being 'victimized' by Bo.
> 
> Krimel replied:
> The levels within the MoQ are a mess and in large measure that
> confusion
> does result from Pirsig's somewhat incoherent account of them.
> 
> dmb says:
> Lucky me. I've returned from a family vacation to find that I get to
> play
> the hero who rescues the damsel in distress. And it looks like Mary
> could
> use some help too.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> C'mon, Krimel. Untie yourself and get up off of the railroad tracks.
> Your
> complaint is predicated on some kind of intellectual laziness. It
> amounts to
> a complaint that Pirsig didn't take the time to explain things that you
> should already know - or at least be able and willing to find out. That
> goes
> for you too, Mary. Pirsig did not invent this distinction. There are
> lots of
> different opinions about the relations between mythos and logos but if
> you
> look around I think you'll see how the two sides differ, how they
> conflict
> and where to draw the line between them.
> 
> [Krimel]
> I am sorry if I left the impression that the incoherence was confined
> to
> just the intellectual level. All of them are shot through with it. But
> for
> present purposes the Mythos is just discarded Logos. Any explanation
> expressed in symbolic fashion is an intellectual pattern. Claiming that
> God
> created the universe in seven days for example is an intellectual
> pattern.
> At one time it was Logos. The fact that it gets replace by "better"
> ideas
> that assume the mantle of Logos does not mean that the pattern is any
> less
> an intellectual pattern.
> 
> Both Mythos and Logos are part of the collection of intellectual
> patterns.
> You are confusing the function of intellectual patterns on the one hand
> and
> the quality of the patterns on the other. If levels are sets of
> patterns,
> then the level has to include all of the patterns. Bad ideas are just
> as
> much ideas as good ones. The Ptolmeic system of cosmology is no longer
> taken
> seriously but it is still an intellectual pattern. Intellectual
> patterns can
> serve social functions; like explaining why there is something instead
> of
> nothing; and social patterns can serve intellectual ones; raising your
> hand
> before asking a question or keeping silent in a library.
> 
> Just a question for Mary: What's it like being rescued by one the
> Knights
> Who Say, Ni?
> 
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