[MD] Transhumanism

[Ian Glendinning]

Actually John, no ... fortunately a good referee is still human,
he/she says sod the objectification, I make the decisions around here,
and humanity progresses. (The technology may present the objective
facts more clearly, but fortunately that's not what games are about,
they're about intentions; objectives in the purposeful sense -
technology doesn't help there, at least not directly, only with
hindsight, etc.)
Ian

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:24 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ian,
>
> I'm interested in a new phenomena taking over games, wherein video replay
> shows the audience and the refs what REALLY happened.  Was his toe on the
> line?  Who last touched the ball?  There seems to be a fascinating tendency
> to get more and more of our reality from technological imagery - the image
> is becoming the final word, and the players mere actors.  Objectification
> marches on.  A strange loop in the making.
>
> John
>
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Ian Glendinning
> <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Matt, (and Krim et al)
>>
>> More that that,
>>
>> When you stop discussing the what and start discussing the how, the
>> how becomes the what (the subject).
>> Meta. This is the essence of level shifting strange loops. The essence
>> of evolution, loops that do more than go round in circles.
>>
>> (A hobby of mine is to apply this thinking to rules in sports - which
>> is why I jumped on the original quote of yours - my main interest if
>> football though. Rules that get introduced into the way the game is
>> managed - by the referee - but bring about changes in the way the game
>> is played - by the players - and therefore demand new rules in the way
>> the game is refereed, etc .... metaphor for evolution in all forms of
>> governance.)
>>
>> Example http://www.psybertron.org/?p=1757
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Matt Kundert
>> <pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey Ian,
>> >
>> >> First joining up the comment of Krim's you responded to here, with our
>> >> "siding with Bush" discussion in the other thread.
>> >> Krim made the distinction here : "the differences between not what but
>> >> how liberals think".
>> >> The "what" is the specific immediate tactical situation, the "how" is
>> >> the strategic rhetorical process.
>> >
>> > I think you're right to see the parallel, but I think wrong to
>> > strictly assimilate them in this way.  The distinctions of
>> > tactics/strategy and what/how are definitely parallel, but
>> > the what/how I was discussing with Krimel, I think, is at a
>> > different level some of the time.  For instance, wondering
>> > about what we should talk to with other people, "the what"
>> > or "the how"?  That's a tactical curiosity, which makes the
>> > what/how subsumed underneath the tactics half of the
>> > tactics/strategy.
>> >
>> > We can alter the relationships between the two distinctions
>> > to generate different questions, but to just assimilate
>> > "tactics" to "what" is blur away the possibility of wondering
>> > (in a confusion of levels to make my point) tactically useful
>> > to talk about tactics.
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
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