[MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

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Matt, Andre, All:

Andre originally:
> > Mr. Pirsig did NOT regard 'intellect = the S/O distinction' in ZMM!
 
It's difficult when someone denies facts. I the diagram section of 
ZAMM the "Classic" (Romantic/Classic was the proto version of the 
Dynamic/Static)  part is the subject/object aggregate or distinction and 
this is also called INTELLECT. Moreover, in the preliminaries to 
diagram-drawing Quality is "pre-intellectual"  while "intellectual" is the 
object becoming aware of subjects.  At that stage SOM (subjects and 
objects) was the only "static" fall-out, but at least that's how far he 
brought it .... and is there for those who can read.  

Matt: 
> Alright, enough nostalgia.  My point is not that Bo should 
> have dropped his ideas.  Far from it.  God knows my basic 
> position hasn't changed--that I'm conscious of--in 7 years.  
> But what frustrates those of us who have been around 
> since 2005 (and likely those who haven't) is that Bo 
> doesn't appear to evolve in his conversation with others.

Has it never crossed your un-prejudiced mind that it is the true 
interpretation of the MOQ that gives those who have seen it their 
stamina, while the false ditto made all those you mention drop out. 
BTW Paul Turner left after the famous letter where Pirsig began by 
saying that there were problems with the (original) intellectual level.   

> Rather than changing the shape of his underlying, unmoved 
> position according to conversational demands--which have 
> changed greatly in 10 years, as most of everyone else has 
> changed--it looks like he just copies and pastes the same 
> critical remarks that people rejected the first time around.  
> What he needs to do is evolve to take into account the 
> rejection, make a new defense to the new attacker.  But 
> Bo is like a fish, who every time he blinks, he's looking at a 
> new world with the same defenses and weapons he woke 
> up with, completely forgetting the experience he'd gained 
> the day before.

My argument has evolved, constantly finding new evidence of the SOL 
and by being confronted with ever new "defenders of the mindish 4th. 
level (that Pirsig himself has rejected) my argument has gone through 
more phases than I can count and/or recount because those who don't 
like it don't read it anyway..    

Bodvar