[MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

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Craig, Marsha, Mary, All.

23 June:

Craig originally:

> > >  Pirsig emphasizes static patterns of value.  Bo
> > > identifies the intellectual level with Subjects & Objects.  But what
> > > if Subjects &  Objects are seen as static patterns of value?  Doesn't
> > > this bridge the gap between the  2 metaphysics?

Again, fine, even if I don't quite like the "2 metaphysics", it was after all  
ZAMM that forwarded the "intellect=SOM" (SOL) solution and about 
half & half of LILA conveys this view.    

Marsha comments: 
> > My answer to this quote would be NO!  RMP's recognition sent him off
> > to the mental institution.  

Interesting. By "RMP's recognition" do you mean the "Intellect=SOM" 
recognition? And that this caused his breakdown? 

> > Having had such a realization, it's easy
> > for him to say!!!  I don't think making an intellectual switch from
> > objects (thing-in- itself) to patterns (ever-changing, relational,
> > unbounded, impermanent) does the trick.

If you mean that Pirsig did not dare repeat the intellect=SOM in LILA 
because it had once sent him to the hospital? If so I agree most 
vehemently.     

> [Mary Replies] 
> Agree with that!  Changing one intellectual construction for another
> is to pay lip service.  Doesn't change a thing.

Hmm, had I just been sure what this means. At least, the "orthodox" 
intellectual level is much like SOM's MIND and consequently 
everything becomes "mind-intellectual constructions". But MOQ's 4th. 
level as SOM is a QUALITY construction! 

Bodvar