[MD] DQ: to define or undefine

[Krimel]

[Ian]
(I didn't need to re-order or re-interpret Dan's words, I quoted his
phrase verbatim "Dynamic Quality Defined is static quality".)

But yes, there is no "need" for the circularity.
The circularity is simply a "good thing" to discover however, when
people are looking for definitions, because it confirms that it's
definition is in fact "undefined". That's a good thing, it confirms
our hypothesis. To define it any other way is to turn it into sq. DQ
Defined is "NOT DQ".

[Krimel]
About all I can say here is, thanks for reminding me of something I forgot
earlier. How does what you call "circularity" and a "good thing" differ from
a platypus? Is the MoQ really about expanding the number of things we want
to call "undefined"? How is that helpful or "good." I think one central
undefined Quality is plenty. After all what good does it do to rid ourselves
of SOM platypi if all we are doing within the MoQ is breeding platypi of our
own?

[Ian]
(You missed my point about matters of degree .... sq is a matter of
degree, DQ isn't. I wasn't talking about complements and unions. DQ is
ONLY the immediate undefinable quality. The lifetime of sq definitions
is variable, but always relatively static for some period of time. DQ
is undefined for any period of time ever. They are qualitatively
different things.)

[Krimel]
I didn't miss your point I just didn't expand on it. Yes SQ, is a matter of
degree. So is DQ. In fact what you are pointing to is the fact on certain
scales SQ really isn't any more definable than DQ. Nothing is perfectly
static. No definition captures all that can be said about the thing defined.
Static Quality is understood in terms of its relationship to Dynamic Quality
just as Dynamic Quality is understood in relation to Static Quality.
Undefined Quality produces the relationship and we experience Quality
through or "as" that relationship.

As Case once put it in his annoyingly simplistic bard-like way:

Jiggle the time scale and rocks roll.
Mountains, crumble and erode
The fractal forms of valleys flow
All things cleave and shatter
Zoom in, Zoom out, refocus.

Here is another bit from Case. He is nothing if not repetitive:

Some things don't cleave
They shatter
All the pieces scatter
Distinctions that should matter
Turn to gray

And yet 
In every spot of gray
We see that white and black
Still play.


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