[MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

[Horse]

Hi Krim

I think that both Mythos and Logos are tools of the Intellectual level 
(ideas about ideas) that use the Social level to propagate heir content 
- and I think this is probably why Pirsig sees Culture as a combination 
of Intellectual patterns and Social patterns. Ideas on their own are 
pretty much locked into the Intellectual level and require Social level 
practices in order to shift and spread from one location (e.g me) to 
other locations (e.g. you and others on this list).
Something I've been bleating on about for some time now is how the 
entire SQ aspect of Quality resembles a network model similar to either 
TCP/IP or OSI. I have an idea and transmit it to you down one side of 
the stack and up the other side. Problem is that, probably, very few 
people here have any idea of what I'm referring to! Also, given Pirsigs 
techie background, this makes sense - to me at least.

Horse

On 25/06/2010 22:37, Krimel wrote:
> [Horse]
> As far as I can see, your biggest mistake is to confuse the data of the
> intellectual level with the tools that manipulate that data. The
> intellectual level is composed of ideas (data) and SOM, MoQ, metaphysics
> in general, science, philosophy, mathematics etc. are the means by which
> they are ordered, manipulated and presented (tools - or ideas about
> ideas). At least, that's my take on it. Ideas can be good or bad,
> supported or unsupported, weird or normal and a number of shades in
> between! Similarly, the tools used (ideas about ideas) can be simple or
> complicated, complete or incomplete etc. etc.
>
> [Krimel]
> That is pretty close the position I have pushed for. I wonder if you would
> agree that this puts both the Mythos and the Logos on the intellectual level
> as well?
>
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