[MD] The MOQ by the moqists Part 2.

[John Carl]

Andre emphasizes and expands from Pirsig:

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Andre Broersen <andrebroersen at gmail.com>wrote:

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> 'I think the basic fault that underlies the problem of stuckness is
> traditional rationality's insistence upon 'objectivity', a doctrine that
> there is a divided reality of subject and object. For true science to take
> place these must be rigidly separate from each other.



John:

This separation is the creation of an ego manipulating reality.  Without the
"rigid separation" there is no ego.

Nothing terrifies an ego so much as blurring this distinction.

While Science doesn't HAVE to rely upon this egoistic impulse, in fact it
does and has; driven by the academic  "jump through hoops for social
recognition".




> 'You are the mechanic. There is the motorcycle. You are forever apart from
> one another. You do this to it. You do that to it. These will be the
> results'.
> This eternally dualistic subject-object way of approaching the motorcycle
> sounds right to us because we're used to it. But it's not right. It's always
> been an artificial interpretation superimposed on reality. It's never been
> reality itself... .When traditional rationality divides the world into
> subjects and objects it shuts out Quality, and when you're really stuck it's
> Quality, not any subjects or objects, that tells you where you ought to go'.
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>
deep truth, in plainstalk.

God i love this man.



>
> This is what Phaedrus set out to do in ZMM and has completed in LILA. The
> premise upon which the scientific process is 'founded' is the same as
> picking up bar ladies, the writing of Rachmaninov's 3rd piano concerto, the
> architectural designs of Gaudi, the establishment of childrens' rights, and,
> yes, even pissing and farting!
>
> Conclusion:
> Bodvar is stuck because he insists on 'objectivity'
> Bodvar is stuck because he insists on the SOL
> Bodvar is stuck because he insists on denying the existence of Quality
> Bodvar is stuck because he insists that Phaedrus' root expansion of
> rationality is a joke.
>
> All St Bodvar needs to do is accept that s/o logic is an intellectual
> pattern of value and sit reasonably comfortable at the lower end of the
> static intellectual value scale.
>
> BUT:
> Bodvar is stuck because he canonized himself, and one cannot change one's
> mind about a canon.
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>

I also love, by extension, those who appreciate  those I love.

Well done, Andre.  The de-canonization of self is the only hope for Bo.  A
tricky process!  And worthy of the attempt.


John