[MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

[MarshaV]

Bo,

Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience)!

To associate your statements with a symbol of the Catholic 
transubstantiation was I thought a limp attempt to discredit 
you.

Marsha





On Jun 27, 2010, at 1:43 PM, skutvik at online.no wrote:

> Marsha and Andre.
> 
> 27 June.:
> 
> Andre previously:
>> Bodvar says: nonsense the MOQ = Reality;  the wafer =  the body of
>> christ. The wafer = my experience of christ. Good luck Bodvar.
> 
>> Marsha:
>> Limp, limp, limp...
> 
> Andre has a point. When on the social level  - and on the religon  
> pattern - the wafer IS the body of Christ, while on the intellectual level 
> it is an objective piece of bread imposed with subjective symbolic 
> quality . This reflects Christendom's migration from an all-social 
> pattern to an intellect-influenced one. I kind of feel  sorry for 
> Christendom because from intellect's S/O view it just looks like a slow 
> succumbing to secularism while Islam stands out like much a more 
> "brave" faith, what makes some fools convert (at least in this country) 
> taking on some Arabic-sounding middle name and donning the hijab 
> (head scarf) *) see footnote
> 
> In the other words, when each level was "leading edge" it was 
> REALITY - no symbolism. Once biology's dog-eat-dog morality was 
> the highest and best, then came the social development where the 
> various mythologies soon formed and the afterlife in Valhalla or among 
> the Ancestors was no symbolic something it, it was REALITY itself. 
> Then the intellectual development and the conviction that we only have 
> subjective access to the objective world and now the intellect-
> interpreters of the MOQ are dead sure of it being another subjective 
> theoretical - now called "static" - interpretation of an objective - now 
> called "Quality" -  reality.  
> 
> What's for sure is that the Quality Reality will have as many facets as 
> SOM had and the example of the wafer as Christ's body on the social 
> level and as mere matter (with symbolic quality) on the intellectual -  
> i.e. all levels having had their hey-day as top notch and as such what 
> defines reality -  is just one among an infinite number of ways to see it. 
> Looking back; After having entered the intellectual reality the effected 
> mankind were still social beings, but their societies were fundamentally 
> changed by their knowing the higher context and  - likewise - after 
> having entered the Quality Reality we will still be intellectual beings  but 
> that level will be fundamentally altered by the knowledge.  But alas this 
> will be a long haul, the majority of this discussion seems hell bent on 
> the intellectual, symbolic MOQ,   
> 
> Bodvar
> 
> 
> *) This is another example of MOQ's explanatory power, but also an 
> example that t it must be SOL-interpreted to achieve that power.
> 
> 


 
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