[MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

[Platt Holden]

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From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics


Excellent Platt, EXCEPT,

Mary's two points were about SOM, (explicitly stated "SOM says .."),
not about the intellectual level.

The level of intentional dishonesty in the argumentation is embarrassing.
Ian

[Platt]
See Mary's topic sentence. Anyway, it's not intellectually dishonest to 
state one's belief based on evidence. It's embarassing you assert otherwise.


On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Platt Holden <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Mary <marysonthego at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The Intellectual Level is the set of Patterns of Value that hold with two
>> key points.
>>
>> - SOM says Quality with a capital "Q" does not exist because quality is
>> nothing more than an attribute based on subjective opinion.
>> - SOM says that the Universe is composed of nothing more nor less than a
>> collection of subjects and objects.
>>
>> This is about as minimal a definition of SOM as I can get down to. If you
>> take these two key assumptions as the entire basis of the Intellectual
>> Level
>> I believe all else follows logically; and despite the argument that this 
>> is
>> too narrow or restrictive, I think you will find that everything short of
>> the MoQ and equivalents that cannot otherwise be considered a Social 
>> Level
>> value will apply. For example, things like science, atheism, democracy,
>> empiricism, economic theories and surely a bunch of other things I can't
>> think of right now all follow as a logical result of these two premises
>> alone. What can be misleading is that many of the concepts derived from
>> these two basic Intellectual Patterns appear to be in irreconcilable
>> conflict with each other. That is surely true, but the conflict is only 
>> in
>> the details and not in the fundamental, unspoken assumptions upon which
>> they
>> are based. It is these two unspoken assumptions that are pervasive and
>> insidiously present in everything in the purview of the Intellectual 
>> Level.
>>
>>
>> [Platt]
> You have identified the keys to understanding the intellectual level --  
> the
> two unspoken
> assumptions that determine its basic nature. Thanks for pinning it down so
> correctly
> and succinctly.