[MD] What is Zen?

[John Carl]

which "you" are you talking to, dave?  I know it ain't me, babe.


On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:25 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>wrote:

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> Marsha and Platt and Bo all asked:
> Name ONE intellectual pattern that is not SOM.
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> On top of the several named by Pirsig, I have posted quotes from a number
> of philosophers wherein they specifically reject SOM. Hegel, Heidegger,
> Dewey, James, Pirsig of course, Hildebrand, Stuhr, Rosenthal, Brown, Taylor,
> Hickman. But I guess they don't count because they're "intellectuals" and by
> your definition anything intellectual is SOM. They're screwing everything
> up, right?
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> Do you not see how this makes it impossible to reason with you? It doesn't
> matter what anyone says because you understand this better than all the
> philosophers in the world, right?
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> Where do you get the gall and what was thing about humility? Seriously. Why
> not read a book or something? People besides Pirsig do talk about this
> issue, you know? James and Dewey were completely unaware of the MOQ and yet
> they said the same thing about SOM. Pirsig tells us this about James. What
> reason do you have to disbelieve him about that? You have no REASON to
> dislike the other radical empiricists.
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