[MD] Platt and Arlo

Platt Holden pholden at sc.rr.com
Tue Dec 6 04:12:11 PST 2005


> [Platt]
> "And beyond that is an even more compelling reason; societies and thoughts
> and principles themselves are no more than sets of static patterns.These
> patterns can't by themselves perceive or adjust to Dynamic Quality. Only a
> living being can do that." (Lila, 13)
> 
> [Arlo]
> You say this, again, as if my stance denies it. I don't. What you continue
> to do is misequate "collective consciousness" with "societies".

OK, I'll take you at your word. "Collective consciousness" isn't the same 
as society. But immediately you begin to say something else:

> He also says that mental patterns are derived from social mediation.

You bring in society as the foundation of thought, and then repeat the 
idea: 

> That
> is, the "individual's" thoughts emerge through social mediation, not
> independent from it.

Then comes the big switch where society is suddenly replaced by 
"collective consciousness:"

> So that "individual" who can respond to DQ, does so BY
> VIRTUE of the collective consciousness.

Perhaps before going any further you could clear up the difference between 
"society" and "collective."  I don't see how why a "collective" of 
individuals doesn't equate to a "society" of individuals. In other words, 
what's the difference between "collective consciousness" and "social 
consciousness?"

Thanks,
Platt




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