[MD] The SOM-MOQ relationship.

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Anthony

On 12 Dec. 

> Ant McWatt remarks:

> I think the primary point of Pirsig in the paragraph you quote from
> LILA below is that reality isn’t just what a postivistically
> orientated thinker can put through their linguistic letterbox of words
> but experience as a whole.  

Yes it may have been his point, I know, but as this discussion has 
gradually unearthed up through the years, the notion of the 
intellectual level as "thinking" and a "philosophy" an intellectual 
pattern, is untenable. The 4th. level is ONE very special way of 
thinking, different from the 3rd. level's thinking.     

> The experience which also includes Dynamic
> Quality, concepts by intuition (e.g. colours, sounds, other
> sensations) and then – and only then - concepts by postulation (such
> as trees, atoms, people, tables, Daniel Dennett, pet bears, the
> Christian God etc).

All right, "intuition" as different from "postulation" is Northrop's (?) 
discovery of existence's dynamic/static composition, Pirsig took a 
different route by first discovering that Existence=Quality 
(meaning primarily  dynamic)  and that something called SOM 
opposed (dynamic) Quality. 

I don't know if Northrop made an effort on an alternative 
metaphysics based on his intuition/postulation insight, but Pirsig 
did based on his, and in the Romantic Quality/Classic Quality 
variety the left half matches "intuition" and the right half matches 
"postulation" . Classic  then gets subtitled "intellectual" which 
again is shown as the creator of the mind/matter aggregate.

This is the very crux which seems to escape our attention. If I 
point to it it evokes no reaction perhaps for the reason that it 
looks like some super-Quality is divided into Romantic and 
Classic, but as you know, Pirsig has informed us that there is no 
such thing, only the DQ/SQ aggregate. I go no further right now 
because I want your opinion.

The fact that  the proper MOQ later emerged in LILA and that - in 
this -  the Romantic/Classic becomes the Social/Intellectual is 
another thing that points to the SOL interpretation.

Bo