[MD] Fw: MD Quality, DQ and SQ

[David M]

Ian

this is pretty close to what I think
about how consciousness links to QM,
although I would say participant rather than observer:

http://www.resurgence.org/2005/chopra231.htm
http://www.resurgence.org/selection/chopra0605.htm

DM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] MD Quality, DQ and SQ


> Ian
>
> I would love to understand how a physicalist is
> not a materialist. Are all qualities physical?
> Do all aspects of experience fit a physical description?
>
> DM
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron at gmail.com>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] MD Quality, DQ and SQ
>
>
>> Scott,
>>
>> You asked
>> Do you still take Darwinism seriously as a basis to explain the origin of
>> consciousness and language?
>>
>> Yes I do, properly explained neo-Darwinsm (a la Dennett / Blackmore /
>> Pinker ) that is.
>>
>> You also asked ...
>> Do you, in fact, think that they originated? Do you think space and
>> time are the background in which consciousness exists?
>>
>> Yes, in the sense I'm a physicalist - all components and explanations
>> of consciousness exist in physics - but that's a million miles from
>> materialism. Precious little material in physics. Which also isn't to
>> say, that all physical components of consciousness always existed
>> (they may have evolved too), doesn't preclude a more entangled
>> explanation than mere "background", and also doesn't preclude
>> explanatory components of consciousness not yet being recognised in
>> physics (though Dennett would criticise me for that last opening to
>> mystical physics.)
>>
>> Materialism needs to be fought OK, but with better physical as well as
>> better philosophical explanations.
>>
>> Ian
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