[MD] MD FW: The intellectual level and rationality

[skutvik at online.no]

On 16 Dec 2005 at 20:20, David M wrote:

> Bo
 
> I suggest we do jettison SOM
> into the dustbin of history. 
 
> Lets say:
> rocks are patterns
> plants are patterns
> money is a pattern
> theory of gravity is a pattern
 
> we can all all thesae patterns SQ
> lets call change and emergence DQ
 
> and put them together and let's call it MOQ.

David M. 
I agree with your choice of patterns, the theory of gravity is a 4th 
level pattern all right, but science and knowledge rests on the 
subject/object divide so it can't be "jettisoned" without existence 
dropping back to the third level (Dark Ages) and is why I am so 
exasperated with those who think intellect can be reformed to 
accommodate the MOQ. The S/O level must be kept clean and 
clear. The MOQ is the Quality Meta-reality that contains all levels 
and must necessarily be beyond - beyond intellect not the least.

 Bo   


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> 
> > Ian 
> > 
> > You spoke thus:   
> > 
> >> How could you possibly accuse Paul (or I) of working AGAINST
> >> releasing intellect from anything. 
> > 
> > Releasing intellect? I spoke about him hindering the MOQ to tear
> > loose from intellect's grip. Earlier you had written:
> > 
> >> > The lesson is to recognise the child-like simplicity, not to
> >> > learn something more intellectual, in order to unederstand. 
> > 
> > And I agreed, it's my very point to see the MOQ as something 
> > beyond the 4th level ("beyond intellect" sounds like giving up one's
> > senses). And the SOL represents that child-like simplicity.       
> > 
> >> In fact we have been constatly suggesting
> >> it's your very act of setting up intelect as SOMism / SOL that is
> >> creating that prison.
> > 
> > It's not me suggesting anything  but written all over LILA and ZMM.
> > It has been confirmed by Pirsig. See the next paragraph.     
> > 
> >> A fossilised pattern I called it. I couldn't be
> >> working harder for the opposite if I tried.
> > 
> > The SOM is "fossilised" all right, but the quality of the S/O divide
> > cannot be jettisoned without us slipping back to the dark ages.
> > Therefore it is best encapsuled as the 4th level. The original
> > definition of this level as "mind" where ideas pop up and disappear
> > is rejected and in the same letter Pirsig said that the Greeks
> > "developed intellect" and this confirms that intellect is the S/O.
> > How can this slow and inevitable move in the SOL way pass by
> > unnoticed?  
> > 
> > I chose to ignore your parting "greeting", you are not the kind to
> > revert to foul language or hurt silence when arguments fail.    
> > 
> > Bo 
> > 
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